CLOSED - Group Buy for Warneke 100 count 'Paulson-Type' Chip Storage Boxes (4 Viewers)

[QuiQuog]

I would expect that if you order 12,050 boxes, you get 12,050 boxes and pay for 12,050 boxes. What's this about giving us 12,500 pricing with the caveat that we order 12,500 boxes. Is that supposed to be a deal? Because it's the same as it was before.

I wonder why there's a +/- 10% production quantity. Do their machines run so fast that it's hard to stop production at a certain number? I don't know how something like this operates, but I would think that they would want to have counters so they know how many units they produce.

 

[QuiQuog]

I suppose it all boils down to us not knowing how another industry works. It's strange to us, but it's just another day for these guys.

 

[Blaster]

I had custom designed boxes made for my company, which I order in quantity once or twice a year, but not near the 12K quantity of this group buy. Like a mold, I own the box tooling that is stored at the box mfgr.
I am always billed for Exactly the quantity ordered, and they always over run and I end up with a few more each order.
I don't think other box companies would require anyone to pay for overages nor deliver 10% less than what was paid for & collect full $$.
Especially on such a large order.

 

[BUBBLE]

Are we committed to buying from them in any way. Most of the leg work is done( thank you for that ) we have a number I'm sure another company would be happy in helping us

 

[nitzilla]

You can change mine to a flex order. 100-200 boxes. If underproduced i'll take 100, if overproduced i'll take 200. My original order is for 100.

I'd be willing to do this exact same thing... 100 +/-100
Don't know if that gets too complicated or what....
Good luck on Thursday
nitzilla

 

[Poker Zombie]

I think most companies simply add the cost into the price of doing buisness, and pass that onto the consumer.

Want 12,500 boxes? They'll charge the same price of 13,750 boxes.

• If they run short, client gets their exact order of 12,500, but producer gets price of 13,750. BONUS!
• Production is spot on? Client gets 10% more boxes for "free". Everybody is happy
• Production goes 10% over - Client gets 20% more boxes for free, nobody complains about that, but producer takes a hit.

If it's truly unpredictable (random) it will even out over time.

 

[bentax1978]

I think most companies simply add the cost into the price of doing buisness, and pass that onto the consumer.

If you were buying from a retailer, almost certainly. If you're buying a custom item direct from the manufacturer, then it becomes a different story.

Btw, if it makes it easier, I'll take +/- whatever number of boxes you need me to.

 

[DJ Mack]

Damn, I guess you should have kept that copy of Folding Carton Industry magazine. Maybe there's handy tips in there on stuff like "make a 20% bonus and do less work." I'd ask what they're smoking but then again, I really don't want to know. Tough spot Andrew but I appreciate you running this down. I'm willing to adjust my order within reason based on whatever you come up with on Thursday.

I really don't see how they get the 10% factor. 10% on 100 boxes, sure, you could have an over/under of 10, especially the first few to come off the line. But 1,250? That's like turning the machine off 20 minutes early or forgetting to come back from lunch.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Dude, stop talking about lunch, or "if we left the machine on during our smoke break". Puff Puff pass, dude...

 

[justsomedude]

FYI - I also had them widen the insert/dividers. They went with 1/16" (per the email shared earlier). Hopefully this minimizes "chip slip' between the segments. I'll let you know if it was a success/failure after I get the samples.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Andrew, You can put me in the +/- category too......I ordered 200 but would be fine with 100. I was just doing 200 to make it easy on you, I have no need for that many.........at this point

 

[justsomedude]

I appreciate you guys being so flexible with quantities! This helps put my mind at ease for sure. I also had one of the larger orders PM me with a flexible range for his order as well! (y) :thumbsup:

I'm still going to try to get him to dial in quantities better when we meet. Not sure that will happen - but I'm going to explain the situation and tell him that we have 80+ folks involved here... and telling them that they may not get their entire order, or may have to spend more than they originally planned, is simply not acceptable.

 

[ChaosRock]

Btw, if it makes it easier, I'll take +/- whatever number of boxes you need me to.

^^^ Same here @justsomedude .

Whatever makes this thing easier for you... Or you can up my order to 220, so it's at least a box, or up to 240ish...

 

[superchromix]

also flexible on my quantities

 

[TheBigTater]

As long as we aren't being charged for any boxes that are not produced (under-runs) I'm flexible as well.

They are still a crazy decent price per unit, and seriously, what other company do we have lined up that will produce this custom box?

 

[Jambine]

@justsomedude
1st, Thanks for putting this together, I know it's a lot of work.

2nd, I'm going to weigh in with an opinion based upon 25+ years as a buyer/negotiator.
Go to the seller with this:
I'm buying X amount of boxes at a specific unit price. If you over-run (up to 10%) I'm glad to pay the agreed unit price for all.
If the order is short (up to 10%), I'm glad to pay the agreed unit price for everything delivered.
I will NOT pay anything for units NOT delivered.

Trust me, these are totally reasonable terms. They will agree

 

[Poker Zombie]

FYI - I also had them widen the insert/dividers. They went with 1/16" (per the email shared earlier). Hopefully this minimizes "chip slip' between the segments. I'll let you know if it was a success/failure after I get the samples.

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Will you get 1 sample, or 90% of a sample? "We have no way to predict..."

 

[Jambine]

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Forgot one important question. When did they tell you about this ?

 

[duffman]

Also flexible with my order. Thanks again for all the hard work!

 

[justsomedude]

Forgot one important question. When did they tell you about this ?

Today. No exaggeration. No lie.

This NEVER came up in ANY prior meeting or correspondence. This is the very first I'm hearing of this. As I definitely would have shared it had I known about it!

The evidence...

 

[ChaosRock]

@justsomedude
1st, Thanks for putting this together, I know it's a lot of work.

2nd, I'm going to weigh in with an opinion based upon 25+ years as a buyer/negotiator.
Go to the seller with this:
I'm buying X amount of boxes at a specific unit price. If you over-run (up to 10%) I'm glad to pay the agreed unit price for all.
If the order is short (up to 10%), I'm glad to pay the agreed unit price for everything delivered.
I will NOT pay anything for units NOT delivered.

Isn't that exactly what the manufacturer is proposing?

 

[justsomedude]

Isn't that exactly what the manufacturer is proposing?

Yes. We will only pay for what we get - and at the quoted cost.

 

[Tommy]

It should be we get what we pay for. :

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Today. No exaggeration. No lie.

This NEVER came up in ANY prior meeting or correspondence. This is the very first I'm hearing of this. As I definitely would have shared it had I known about it!

The evidence...

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Hmmph....aren't you able to edit photos.....


JK!

 

[justsomedude]

It should be we get what we pay for. :

Unfortunately, it seems like these guys operate under the, "you pay for what you get," mantra. :/

 

[Psypher1000]

IF they stick to their guns and won't narrow that range, it seems to me the only way to guarantee you receive sufficient funds from the buyers is to force buyers to place an order for ~123% of what they actually want. For example, if I only want 100 boxes and assume that 100 is the minimum of their range, then the midpoint is ~112 (rounding up), and the maximum range based on that midpoint is ~123. This would likely mean refunds would be returned to everyone, but that at least guarantees that you're whole, Andrew, and puts everyone in the same ordering boat.

The understanding would be that everyone knows that they are likely to receive more than what they actually want, but they're at least paying for it up front.

 

[links_slayer]

Is this type of thing really common in this industry? ["We know you want this many but we're gonna make between this and this...cool?"]

I'm genuinely asking because it seems absolutely absurd to me.

 

[justsomedude]

Is this type of thing really common in this industry? ["We know you want this many but we're gonna make between this and this...cool?"]

I'm genuinely asking because it seems absolutely absurd to me.

Seems absurd to me as well. Going to try and get more info on Thursday.

 

[Tommy]

Is this type of thing really common in this industry? ["We know you want this many but we're gonna make between this and this...cool?"]

I'm genuinely asking because it seems absolutely absurd to me.

In the flooring and roofing industry is it. I'm not really bother about the cost but how they brought up this nonsense at the last minute.

(EDIT) I missed the "in this industry" part.

 

[BGinGA]

The guy is a family man...... <last name = company name>...... gotta be some angle we can play there to our advantage, even if it's just getting what we order - nothing more, nothing less.



IF we have a big hitter/vendor in the buy group who is buying for resale -- and IF they are willing -- one solution may be for them to take on the variance amount alone. They order some extras, nobody else gets shorted if the company under-delivers, and they end up with extra inventory if the order goes long.

And I'd definitely be okay with giving them an extra price break (a cent or two off my cost) as incentive and to compensate.