Not Mine Craigslist Las Vegas - 1000 New Key West $1 White Chips (2 Viewers)

Hmmmmm. Has the evil dr ott resurfaced again with another nefarious act..........
 
I prefer to buy my Key West chips from Classic Poker Chips.

Not sure where these came from, as I haven't sold a large set of $1 chips like that to anyone in Las Vegas in the past four years.

If the owner of these chips is Red, I have some idea how he could have 1,000 x $1 chips, but I would be only guessing.

What I do know:

It was always old ASM (Jim B and Michael) policy to make chips exclusively for the customer -- not for anyone else, not for yourself and not for resale without my being aware.

It is possible the seller got them through other means, but I have my doubts.

As I do not know the origin of these chips, I can only say that I will not buy them and I don't recommend them. They certainly can't be returned to my company if someone is not happy with them. (I keep a customer list.)

Like all things on Craigslist, this looks a bit off to me.

If the seller were Josh at Apache, I would say buy them immediately as they are from ASM Portland and Jim B.

If the seller were a member here to whom I sold chips, I'd do anything to help that customer sell to another member.

In this case, I will steer clear of these. The only chips I know Red would have are chips I sent back as unacceptable.
 
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FWIW, I did a search for the phone number in the ad and ended up with an address associated with Ott.

I thought he was out of the cherry cases.
 
FWIW, I did a search for the phone number in the ad and ended up with an address associated with Ott.

Abby: This is good to know. Thank you.

The only Key West chips I know Red to have would be those I sent back to him as sub-standard and unacceptable.

And Abby confirming the number look-up should be all anyone needs to know.

(To avoid any misunderstanding, I mean that if Abby says it, it is true. )
 
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So the best scenario is that he decided to use your design to make chips for himself, and the worst is that he's using his mistakes to devalue your product on the open market? Super classy.
 
So the best scenario is that he decided to use your design to make chips for himself, and the worst is that he's using his mistakes to devalue your product on the open market? Super classy.

Those are the only possibilities.
 
I think it's far more likely to be the rejects Dennis sent back than additionals Red decided to make.

What a P.O.S.
 
The evil DR OTT raises his ugly head again. What a worthless piece of shit this guy is/was.

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Can we get a small GB of CPC chips with Clay Rollah inlays going please? I'd buy someo_O
 
Really sorry to hear Dennis, isn't there something we can do to stop this first class Ahole ?
Your classy KW line doesn't deserve this !
 
Really sorry to hear Dennis, isn't there something we can do to stop this first class Ahole ?
Your classy KW line doesn't deserve this !

In the end, Red's "garage sale" will do little damage to Key West.

In the past four years, I think we've made more than 16,000 chips, and sold over 10,000. I have about 120 customers who like their Key West chips, and most are repeat customers. We keep between 7,000 and 10,000 chips in stock at any one time. By the time we get a shipment, it's usually time to order more chips.

I'm not sure Red's Craigslist chips will sell, anyway. The only people who would dig deep and pay that much for a set of casino chips are right here on Poker Chip Forum. They've likely seen this thread, and know who Red is. And if the chips do sell, any buyer will surely try to return them. (That's probably why he's selling on Craigslist, rather than e-bay.) Buyer protection would do to him what he did to many of us, myself included.

So I think Red may be stuck with them. And if he's looking for somewhere to store them, I have a few suggestions for exactly where he can put those chips.
 
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I've reviewed my past orders and production dates.

Red is offering white $1 Key West chips, which can't be redeemed for face value. The origin of his white $1 chips is suspect, as they're either chips I returned, or chips he made before closing without telling me.

All the Key West's blue $1 chips were made by Classic Poker Chips, beginning in March, 2014. ASM Las Vegas did not make any blue $1 chips. It's extremely unlikely the former owner of ASM LV would have any blue $1s, or attempt to cash any.

As of today, 1,303 of the 1,707 blue $1 chips have been issued. The remaining 404 blue $1 chips are secured here. My company holds $1,303 in cash to pay the face value of those chips, should they be redeemed.

I will order more blue $1 chips from Classic Poker Chips if the need arises.

Key West white $1 chips cannot be bought or sold for face value. There was a plan to make them redeemable for face value in 2016. Unfortunately, the introduction of Red's 1,000 white chips to the market means that plan is cancelled for now.
 
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Per an email exchange I've had with Ott, he said these are from a customer that never paid for the order. He also said they cost over $2.50/chip to make. I asked if they were defective since he's asking less than half of what they "cost" and was told that questioning his price was "not wise." I also asked for pics but he said he could only text and not email - and he only had pictures of chips in their original boxes. wtf?
 
Per an email exchange I've had with Ott, he said these are from a customer that never paid for the order. He also said they cost over $2.50/chip to make. I asked if they were defective since he's asking less than half of what they "cost" and was told that questioning his price was "not wise." I also asked for pics but he said he could only text and not email - and he only had pictures of chips in their original boxes. wtf?

I love everyone's sleuthing here. I did some myself. Here are the pics Red sent after I asked him for close-ups of the inlay. Ansel Adams he is not.

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Unauthorized use of a trademark and slander? Any PCF lawyers that want to draft a cease and desist for Dennis?
 
Per an email exchange I've had with Ott, he said these are from a customer that never paid for the order. [ ... ] I also asked for pics but he said he [...] only had pictures of chips in their original boxes. wtf?

On May 23, 2013, I issued a check to Atlantic Standard Molding to pay for 10,030 chips. The price was negotiated for the order around May 11 with Mike Dambauch. The chips were produced later that year over several months, and would not have been produced had they not been paid for up front.

That transaction was recorded in the financial records of my business, Continental Card & Game Co. The check was cashed in June, 2013 by ASM. Obviously, all of this has been reported to the IRS, and proper documentation is on file, as the amount exceeded $12,000, and transactions over $10,000 trigger some red flags to the tax man.

I requested the quote from Sallie at ASM in early May. Based on her characteristic, cheerful response, I believe she was the person who responded. (When we spoke or e-mailed, we often would compare weather reports.) I spoke on the phone with Michael about the order one evening a few days later.

The following night, Michael called me to tell me he was leaving the business. He explained why. It was a long phone call. It was also the first time I had heard the name "Red."

I know I paid for all my chips. If "Red" is referring to another customer for which he produced Key West chips, he did so without my approval or knowledge.

If he is referring to me as the "customer that [sic] never paid for the order," he is lying. Any member who wishes to see the proof of payment to ASM may PM me.

He would also be exaggerating the cost to produce the chips. I know exactly how much it cost ASM to produce an H-mold, level 1 chip in 2013, as this was part of our negotiations.
 
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Per an email exchange I've had with Ott, he said these are from a customer that never paid for the order. He also said they cost over $2.50/chip to make. I asked if they were defective since he's asking less than half of what they "cost" and was told that questioning his price was "not wise." I also asked for pics but he said he could only text and not email - and he only had pictures of chips in their original boxes. wtf?

I love everyone's sleuthing here. I did some myself. Here are the pics Red sent after I asked him for close-ups of the inlay. Ansel Adams he is not.

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What a F@##ing loser. @links_slayer should reply that trying to sell trademarked(maybe??) chips after pissing off a whole collectors/buyers forum is "even less wise"

and then go ahead and hot link this thread

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I personally think anytime someone her catches this dickhead trying to sell chips like this we should copy the whole ad here for posterity then flag his classified on craigslist just to make him jump the hoops to put to it back on.

Payback's a motherf$@%er!!!
 
For the record:

Red told me he would remake all chips I sent back. He never did.

When he told me he was going out of business, he implied that the "new owners" would replace the chips. This was also false.

Others here have noted that Red sometimes made extra chips from leftover material, then approached the customer, offering to sell the extras to them. This is why I think some of the chips he is offering for sale on Craigslist are chips I sent back, while others might be extra chips he made during my Key West order without telling me.

Simply having to deal (again) with the mess Red made of ASM has made me sick.
 

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