Custom chip hall of fame thread. (1 Viewer)

[BGinGA]

It certainly would not hurt to have a rotating selection committee each year, just to broaden the prospective field of nominees without clogging up the process every year.

...if you start with a brand new committee every year, you have zero experience at least the first couple of times. Why not have at least a couple of old people just to guide the newbies?

I also think there should be a rule that no one can serve on the selection committee two years running. That way each year there are some fresh opinions.

Here's my take on the committee structure: it needs both stability and fresh ideas/opinions over time.

Imo, the best way to accomplish that is to have six committee members, with three new members added every year while three existing members drop off every year. The six initial committee members would have terms of 1 year (three members) and 2 years (three members) -- with who gets what term lengths determined randomly.

The pool of committee candidates would be maintained by the six standing members.

Starting next year (Dec 2015), the three newly chosen members would have terms of 2 years. Any member unable (or unwilling) to complete their term can resign and appoint their own successor for the remainder of their term.

 

[bergs]

I'm in.

 

[bivey]

Interesting thought: Eventually, those who are enshrined should make up the voting members for future elections. Who better to judge great customs sets, than those who created them in the first place?

 

[Mr Tree]

Interesting thought: Eventually, those who are enshrined should make up the voting members for future elections. Who better to judge great customs sets, than those who created them in the first place?

I've thought about that. Kind of like the Heisman.

 

[Mr Tree]

I'm in.

Noted. Sending out PMs later today to everyone who hasn't responded yet

 

[CO0LHand]

So this is where everyone has been hanging out!

At this point all the things I thought while going through the posts have been addressed but i'll add my .02 in case someone is keeping track.

20 is too many, I think a 10 chip initial set is a great idea. The nominating committee is also a great idea but the addition of 5 chips a year seems pretty aggressive considering that there are not a massive amount of custom sets made in any single year and this is a Hall of Fame, not a Hall of Pretty Good. Lastly should there be a minimum number of votes to get in? Meaning should there be 3 additions some years and possibly none the next year if none of the chips is strong enough to get a certain percentage of votes? When voting would we vote for our 3 favorite chips as equal votes or would we place chips in a 1-2-3 order with more weight added to the chips that get a 1 vote?

Regardless I think this is a wonderful idea and having a log of what people consider 'great' chips will be incredibly helpful to people who wander upon this place and kind of get stuck (like me.) I had no clue about custom chips 6 months ago and I just finished paying off what will be my inaugural set.

You guys have created a monster, now I sit around debating what theme I should do for a tournament set and how I should theme my poker room should I win the lottery. The ideas tossed out for a Game of Thrones themed poker room really got me thinking about a Pirate themed one but I have nowhere enough money or space to be thinking about such things. Fun stuff, thanks for thinking of it and taking the initiative to keep the ball rolling!!!!!

 

[Mental Nomad]

Excellent points - I concur with CO0LHand.

 

[Ben]

First I've seen of this thing due to a PM from mrtree - I'm not entirely 100% on exactly what is happening (just skimmed the thread,) but I am honored to be considered for this committee. Unfortunately, it couldn't come at a worse time - we are still in the process of moving and getting things set up at the new place, and with Christmas and other family and work responsibilities upon us, my time is spoken for at the moment (not to mention, my internet connectivity is currently somewhat limited.) After New Years, I would absolutely be in - just can't do it right now though.

Re: single chips vs. sets - both deserve consideration, but one thing I know is it's going to be a hell of a lot EASIER to do sets...

 

[Mr Tree]

No worries Ben! I'm pretty sure I will have enough to fill the committee.

In fact I actually already have enough now. I just don't want to arbitrarily exclude anyone who might be interested and able to serve.

 

[k9dr]

Thanks for the nomination, but there are far more qualified individuals on the list.

 

[pltrgyst]

I've thought about that. Kind of like the Heisman.

Oh, yeah. And we all see how well that works. 8

-- Larry

 

[Redbelly]

I am humbled and honored to be considered for such a position. As much as I would love to be a part of such a committee, I feel that presently my schedule wouldn't allow the focus necessary to be an active member. Please keep me in mind for future service however! Your not going to have any problem putting together a talented group! I look forward to seeing where this goes and how it evolves! The "Tiger by the Tail" analogy seems VERY appropriate! Great luck!

 

[pltrgyst]

Thanks for the nomination, but there are far more qualified individuals on the list.

What Mark said. I'm honored to even have been mentioned, but I don't think I have any particular qualifications for the task.

I certainly look forward to years of debate and gorgeous chips, though!

-- Larry

 

[Milo013]

Okay, I received my PM and have indicated a willingness to serve. I think that my nomination to the committee is one that seeks to avoid any perceived bias, as I am obviously NOT going to have a horse in the race, and do not have sufficient history with anyone to be swayed by friendship.

My thoughts:

The initial voting should be for HoF SETS. A HoF for individual chips can come later (next year, for example)
I would suggest an initial complement of 10 sets to be voted into the Hall, with subsequent years enshrining 3 sets only.
The committee to be comprised of however many members MrTree feels is adequate with the following provisos:
One person from each HoF class will be added to the committee for the following years selection process (TWO from this year's Class).
With the addition of a Hall Member to the Committee, a voting member should step aside each year.

I like the idea of two weeks to nominate, and a week to make our picks.

My $0.02 cents . . . almost worth what you paid for it.

 

[BPTDirector]

Thanks for the consideration, I'm honored, but currently retired from the addiction. Can't wait to see what comes of this and thank you again for the offer.

Merry Christmas PCF homies!!

 

[PAZ]

Thank you for the consideration. It's truly an honor to be a) nominated and b) to see my name with those that I consider to be real chip legends. Sadly, I'm going to have to pass. I'm not going to be able to commit the time that this project deserves over the next few weeks.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

I also sincerely appreciate my nomination, but I think lack of time and limited knowledge of many older chip sets will preclude me from serving. Maybe next year!

 

[B.C.]

Thanks for the offer and happy to help if needed (although as I said in the PM sure others are better qualified).

Some quick random thoughts:

Different categories: sets v individual chips: Think of Cooperstown, players get in, managers get in, announcers get in etc. plenty of room for both sets and chips. If it is expanded past Custom Chips then Casino chips/sets, baccarat chips, "year of the" chips, hell include an entire casino for all I care.

No chip should ever be excluded regardless of age or how many times it has been nominated. Set some numbers - say make it 5-7 sets and 5-7 individual chips per year, or 3 sets and 7 individual chips. Nomination over 2 weeks with 3 weeks for voting (add a prize for voting to encourage participation - maybe one of the winning chips if it can be done). Make a group shot of all the inductees for the back of the calendar each year?

Obviously no committee member can have a personal chip considered in a sitting year - this ain't Congress!!

B.C.

 

[UW85]

Thank you for the consideration. It's truly an honor to be a) nominated and b) to see my name with those that I consider to be real chip legends. Sadly, I'm going to have to pass. I'm not going to be able to commit the time that this project deserves over the next few weeks.

Exactly the same for me. Appreciate the nod -- look forward to what y'all come up with.

 

[Puggy]

Thank you for considering me too. I also am honored and flattered, but I just don't have time at the moment.

 

[Mr Tree]

I have a handful of people I haven't heard back from. I will give them one more day and then pick the committee from everyone who has indicated they are open to being on it.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Just a thought - when considering chip sets, do we only take into account the chips of value, or does a set also include bounty chips, DBs, seating cards/chips. Some people have gone a long way to round-out their set.

As for Jbutler's thought on breakdown counting when considering a set, I strongly disagree. Some buy sets for craps games. I use mine for literally hundreds of games. For example, Monopoly around my house does not use paper bills, and the game is exponentially faster especially when dealing with "little" properties. My CPC set reflects this aspect. The 25,000s will probably never get used in a poker game, but they have their function in other games.

 

[Mr Tree]

Just a thought - when considering chip sets, do we only take into account the chips of value, or does a set also include bounty chips, DBs, seating cards/chips. Some people have gone a long way to round-out their set.

As for Jbutler's thought on breakdown, I strongly disagree. Some buy sets for craps games. I use mine for literally hundreds of games. For example, Monopoly around my house does not use paper bills, and the game is exponentially faster especially when dealing with "little" properties. My CPC set reflects this aspect. The 25,000s will probably never get used in a poker game, but they have their function in other games.

We're going to tackle sets first and then see if we want to circle back and do chips as well, but my thoughts on individual chips is that any custom chip would qualify regardless of it it was a value chip, bounty chip, commemorative chip, free drink chip, etc.

 

[Poker Zombie]

We're going to tackle sets first and then see if we want to circle back and do chips as well, but my thoughts on individual chips is that any custom chip would qualify regardless of it it was a value chip, bounty chip, commemorative chip, free drink chip, etc.

I agree with the "circle back approach". I am just thinking about "sets". Do you consider the Hitching Post seating plaques/Bounty chips/DB to be a part of the Hitching Post set, or is the set just the denominated disks? They were clearly all themed to go together, but produced by different manufacturers.

 

[Mr Tree]

I agree with the "circle back approach". I am just thinking about "sets". Do you consider the Hitching Post seating plaques/Bounty chips/DB to be a part of the Hitching Post set, or is the set just the denominated disks? They were clearly all themed to go together, but produced by different manufacturers.

Ok, first let me say that nailing down the terms will be one of the responsibilities of the committee so I am stepping on toes a little here.

But to me this is slightly a question of nomenclature. Specifically I see this as "sets" vs a "setup". The Hitching Post is a broad setup with a lot of supporting items. To me the "set" is a group of chips sharing a common theme, purpose, and appearance. The chips should pass the eye test and it should be readily apparent they are part of a grouping.

Here is an interesting comparison:

Because of the preference of my group of players most all Hitching Post tournaments are bounty tournaments. However, even though the bounty chip is almost always used I would not consider it a part of the set because it is visibly different than the rest of the set.





Not only is it made from a different material, it also does not share an appearance that fits with the tournament set. If it didn't have the words "The Hitching Post" on it you would not be able to readily identify that it belonged with the others.

Contrast that with Redbelly's tournament set.



The bounty chip not only is made by ASM, it also shares the logo and theme of the tournament set. In this case I feel it passes the eye test and could be considered a part of the tournament set.

Also re purpose of chips. To me a custom set is a set of chips sharing a common theme, purpose, and appearance. I don't think it necessarily HAS to be a poker purpose. For instance to fit within the definition I think Links_slayer's golf ceramics qualify as a set.

They meet all the criteria - theme, purpose, and appearance.

Whatever rules we decide on their will have to be some room for interpretation just because of the nature of what we are reviewing. One size fit all rules will be difficult given the creative license of what is being judged.

 

[jbutler]

As for Jbutler's thought on breakdown counting when considering a set, I strongly disagree. Some buy sets for craps games. I use mine for literally hundreds of games. For example, Monopoly around my house does not use paper bills, and the game is exponentially faster especially when dealing with "little" properties. My CPC set reflects this aspect. The 25,000s will probably never get used in a poker game, but they have their function in other games.

do you mean courage's thought on breakdown?

Some sets do have an odd breakdown, and that's one of the criteria that would hurt its HOF candidacy.

i would gladly associate myself with his comments, though, as i agree that breakdown is one of many criteria by which to judge a set. i don't know that it is something that should preclude it from consideration unless the breakdown is particularly bizarre, but i know it will certainly affect my ultimate vote.

 

[Mr Tree]

do you mean courage's thought on breakdown?



i would gladly associate myself with his comments, though, as i agree that breakdown is one of many criteria by which to judge a set. i don't know that it is something that should preclude it from consideration unless the breakdown is particularly bizarre, but i know it will certainly affect my ultimate vote.

Ah I misunderstood this. I think consideration of the use should factor in. If a set is only used in a standard game but has wonky values that is a negative. If it is used in more of a home casino setting where unusual denominations come into play that's another matter.

 

[Poker Zombie]

do you mean courage's thought on breakdown?



i would gladly associate myself with his comments, though, as i agree that breakdown is one of many criteria by which to judge a set. i don't know that it is something that should preclude it from consideration unless the breakdown is particularly bizarre, but i know it will certainly affect my ultimate vote.

Yep, my bad for posting before 6 am. I apparently was reading your mind while reading his post.

Mental note: Play more poker before 6 am. Mind reading is vastly superior at that time.

 

[courage]

Re: breakdown. To me it reflects the sets purpose. If people use their sets for craps, monopoly or bus fare, that's cool, but I'd tend to give more credit to poker sets with a breakdown built for poker games, which itself is a broad category.

In my initial comment i was thinking of older casino sets where limited # of chips may be available or lost, or a hypothetical killer new custom set where the owner got 100 of each denom made, although I suppose that may be a HU set.

Sort of a minor issue but the broader issue is what makes a HOF set. Just food for thought.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Re: breakdown. To me it reflects the sets purpose. If people use their sets for craps, monopoly or bus fare, that's cool, but I'd tend to give more credit to poker sets with a breakdown built for poker games, which itself is a broad category.

In my initial comment i was thinking of older casino sets where limited # of chips may be available or lost, or a hypothetical killer new custom set where the owner got 100 of each denom made, although I suppose that may be a HU set.

Sort of a minor issue but the broader issue is what makes a HOF set. Just food for thought.

Wow, you just shined a light on a whole new angle for HoF sets. Playable or Epic Casino sets. There are a few of them out there where collectors spend years and thousands of dollars to assemble a complete cash set - fracs to $500s or better. Frenchipper's Vineyard set comes directly to mind.

I know that Mr.Tree's initial concept is just customs, but I could see occasional inductees in special categories. Collected Casino sets, Casino Sets (perhaps still in use), and Individual Chips. There could also be special nods to Chipmakers, and Artists, though we already know who the inductees would be there, so it's kind of frivolous unless someone is willing to donate a building that we can then turn into a visitor's destination. Probably somewhere in Vegas. I think RedOtt may have some open space available...

Ok, time to stop dreaming and get back to the reality of custom chip sets. :