Do you think Robbi Jade Lew cheated? Poll (3 Viewers)

Did she cheat?

  • Yes

  • No

Results are only viewable after voting.
WedgeRock said:
If you knew you were a 53/47 favorite, do you call a shove?

Unless she knew the runout, not even a cheater makes that play.
Click to expand...

Yes. A million times yes, assuming I'm able to sit in the game. Why do so many people have this opinion? This isn't a tournament. If the math says call, you call. Exceptions being if you are shot taking or don't have funds handy to rebuys. Again this is with basically perfect information.
 
This poll needs an “undecided” option.

I was at Hustler last night, and I played off stream with Andy, Wesley, Mars and a few others, and this was the hot topic for a while. Ryan joined us later, and we discussed it ad nauseam. I also have the added color of talking to G about it, so I know his perspective.

Here’s my analysis and current opinion.

First let’s get the lies out of the way.

“I thought I had J3.” That is completely false. The proof is not just that she looked at her hand multiple times, but the fact that she she responded to Garrett’s question “do you have a small pair?” with “you give me that much credit?” after the turn was on the board and before they ran it twice.

“I thought you had Ace high” - That’s actually a less damning statement for a cheater. A better statement would have been “I put you on an open ended”. I think her Ace high comment was adrenaline , embarrassment, excitement, fluster and shock all rolled into one. She was fumbling for an explanation for a very bad call.

All her flip-flopping explanations indicate someone who was out of her depth, wanted to appear cool, and gave all kinds of explanations the more she thought about it. Saving face, if you will. Why do I believe this? Because I did it on HSP, when I raised Bryn Kenney with pocket 7s, on a 6565 board when he had barreled a third time and I had no business even calling. When I raised, it wasn’t strategic, it was all adrenaline. I had a basic unformed thought that I could potentially rep the 6, and maybe he had an overpair, but it was an insanely stupid play (that also paid off.)

So, did she cheat? Not even HCL knows. They’re currently evaluating investigators to look into it, because they have to be sure nothing happened. They’re aware of card reading tech, they’re aware that their staff is not infallible, and they’re aware that lots of eyes are on them.

So what happened in the conversation between Robbie, G and Ryan? This is what I understand went down:

- G gets up and asks dealer to send Ryan down.
- Ryan comes down, has to make a split second decision about talking to Robbie
- Robbie is asked to explain her decision (the 3 of them are talking)
- Her explanations don’t make any sense, she’s still sputtering
- G says he’s no longer comfortable playing at the table and with her, and says he’ll leave
- Robbie says “no, don’t do that. What can I do to make you feel better about this? Let’s just play.”
- G says (half jokingly, according to Ryan) “well, I’d feel better if I got my money back”.
- Robbie says, “if I give you the money, you’ll play, and we can be friends?”
- G is surprised, and says “yes”.
- Robbie gives the money back.
- her backer throws a fit and yells at G.
- G leaves.

I’m leaning towards an unfortunate perfect storm of circumstances:

1. A glitzy female player who’s trying to hold her own against the men, and has a weird attitude
2. A really bad set of decisions and adrenaline-driven play
3. A ridiculously bad runout for the favorite
4. A poorly handled negotiation
5. A backer who created drama

I’m leaning towards 65% no cheating.
 
I never watch these things, so I have no idea how it usually goes, but are people really expected to honestly explain their moves to everyone at the table?

I’d give you 5 different bs answers if you grilled me like that, too. What’s she supposed to say, “you have a tell and I found it”?
 
Windwalker said:
This poll needs an “undecided” option.

I was at Hustler last night, and I played off stream with Andy, Wesley, Mars and a few others, and this was the hot topic for a while. Ryan joined us later, and we discussed it ad nauseam. I also have the added color of talking to G about it, so I know his perspective.

Here’s my analysis and current opinion.

First let’s get the lies out of the way.

“I thought I had J3.” That is completely false. The proof is not just that she looked at her hand multiple times, but the fact that she she responded to Garrett’s question “do you have a small pair?” with “you give me that much credit?” after the turn was on the board and before they ran it twice.

“I thought you had Ace high” - That’s actually a less damning statement for a cheater. A better statement would have been “I put you on an open ended”. I think her Ace high comment was adrenaline , embarrassment, excitement, fluster and shock all rolled into one. She was fumbling for an explanation for a very bad call.

All her flip-flopping explanations indicate someone who was out of her depth, wanted to appear cool, and gave all kinds of explanations the more she thought about it. Saving face, if you will. Why do I believe this? Because I did it on HSP, when I raised Bryn Kenney with pocket 7s, on a 6565 board when he had barreled a third time and I had no business even calling. When I raised, it wasn’t strategic, it was all adrenaline. I had a basic unformed thought that I could potentially rep the 6, and maybe he had an overpair, but it was an insanely stupid play (that also paid off.)

So, did she cheat? Not even HCL knows. They’re currently evaluating investigators to look into it, because they have to be sure nothing happened. They’re aware of card reading tech, they’re aware that their staff is not infallible, and they’re aware that lots of eyes are on them.

So what happened in the conversation between Robbie, G and Ryan? This is what I understand went down:

- G gets up and asks dealer to send Ryan down.
- Ryan comes down, has to make a split second decision about talking to Robbie
- Robbie is asked to explain her decision (the 3 of them are talking)
- Her explanations don’t make any sense, she’s still sputtering
- G says he’s no longer comfortable playing at the table and with her, and says he’ll leave
- Robbie says “no, don’t do that. What can I do to make you feel better about this? Let’s just play.”
- G says (half jokingly, according to Ryan) “well, I’d feel better if I got my money back”.
- Robbie says, “if I give you the money, you’ll play, and we can be friends?”
- G is surprised, and says “yes”.
- Robbie gives the money back.
- her backer throws a fit and yells at G.
- G leaves.

I’m leaning towards an unfortunate perfect storm of circumstances:

1. A glitzy female player who’s trying to hold her own against the men, and has a weird attitude
2. A really bad set of decisions and adrenaline-driven play
3. A ridiculously bad runout for the favorite
4. A poorly handled negotiation
5. A backer who created drama

I’m leaning towards 65% no cheating.
Click to expand...
Simplest explanation and makes the most sense IMO. Cheating in this spot on a stream against Garrett of all people just seems really really weird.
 
Would be interesting to see what would’ve happened if the runout had been different. Seems easier to laugh it off as just a dumb call if they chopped or if Garrett scooped it.

It doesn’t make sense that she called to “take a stand” when more than half the deck beats her. Would’ve been much more reasonable had the board been double paired or something.
 
I tend to think, not cheating, especially after reading @Windwalker's take on it. I can say that I recall a similar play where I figured representing a late hand, that was really unlikely, seemed like the right move and then, when I had to show those raggedy cards to take it down, couldn't save face with anything other than a mouthful of stupid! I can also say I've been in a similar hand where I had been getting pushed around all night by good friend of mine and then (I've played many years with this guy), I get a read on him and call him down, just knowing that whatever he has, mine is better, and we go all in at the river with both of us sporting nothing but high card (and mine was better)! Not cheating.
 
Consider if G hits both runouts and scoops? Does he still accuse her of cheating? Is there still an inquiry? Are we even talking about it? Nope. He shakes off the unconventional call, pulls in his $165K profit, and play goes on and everyone is hoping to get into a pot with Robbi and her dance card is filled with invites to even more high stakes games. I'm sure commentary would even be, she had a great read on his exact hand and took a shot, but with so many outs it was not wise and that there are much better spots to make a stand like that. Stroke that fish's ego and keep her on the hook.

But instead, a player, completely out of her league, makes an obviously ridiculous call ( although G is known to make some crazy big bluffs so maybe not so so crazy?? ) and scopes a huge pot from a beloved and well respected pro who gets his nose out of joint because he lost a big pot and just can't fathom anyone making such a stupid lucky unconventional call and the poker world goes insane to support him.

Did she cheat? Nothing is outside the realm of possibility, so maybe like 0.00001% chance she did. :unsure: ;)


Otherwise nothing to see here other than another horrible play at the poker table that gets rewarded. I call it the @Highli99 move. :p
 
I in fairly confusing not sure unconfirmed non cheater camp

22B8DA1F-69F4-438C-B63F-83339B34BA53.jpeg
 
Real scammer/cheat would never offer to give the money back with zero proof of cheating. So we’re supposed to believe she would offer back the whole goal of such a scam after spending time planning, lining up multiple sophisticated conspirators to assist, and actually pulling it off just because Karen called the manager over? Sorry, not happening.
 
Last edited:
I want to believe she cheated. I like Garret. And honestly his immediate reaction after the hand is what has persuaded me the most. Because so much of the other accusations or excuses are merely “this person wouldn’t do that in this situation.” And I just don’t buy any of that. Humans are complex and weird and unpredictable.

That said, as much as I’m persuaded by Garret’s reaction, that’s not enough to put it over the top. So I can’t say yes or no.
 
bergs said:
I’ve watched it a couple times and it kinda feels like she just straight up doesn’t like Garrett (he is smug as fuck), and she called to stick it to him if she won or quietly muck if she lost with an “so many outs, how did I miss?”

Not saying I’ve been there but there have been so many outs, actually how did I miss? (Looks down at 7 high).
Click to expand...
I tend to agree. She said, “It’s not what I have, it’s what you don’t have, And you never have shit.” She also mentioned several times that she has done this to him before, more then once.

I don’t see cheating at all. It was a pure gut, I don’t think you have shit call - lol.
 
upNdown said:
I want to believe she cheated. I like Garret. And honestly his immediate reaction after the hand is what has persuaded me the most. Because so much of the other accusations or excuses are merely “this person wouldn’t do that in this situation.” And I just don’t buy any of that. Humans are complex and weird and unpredictable.

That said, as much as I’m persuaded by Garret’s reaction, that’s not enough to put it over the top. So I can’t say yes or no.
Click to expand...
I like him too, he's a fantastic player, runs pure and makes great decisions most of the time. I lost some respect though, personally.
 
Here’s my question.
I’m persuaded by the sentiment that it’s a stupid call if she wasn’t cheating and it’s a stupid call if she was cheating.
But to me, that just raises the question, why has somebody backed her and put her in this game, if she’s stupid?
An easy answer is that it doesn’t matter if she’s stupid if you’re cheating. But we don’t have the evidence for that.
And whether she was or she wasn’t cheating, giving the money back was a stupid decision.
So I’ll ask again, why did somebody back a player who makes stupid poker decisions, who could be pressured into making a stupid decision like giving back the money? Whether she was backed to cheat or backed to play straight, backing her seems like a horrible decision.
 
buffalojim said:
I like him too, he's a fantastic player, runs pure and makes great decisions most of the time. I lost some respect though, personally.
Click to expand...
Yeah, maybe. I don’t believe that he demanded the money back and I don’t believe that she offered it. We just don’t know.
But the bottom line is that unless she was actually cheating, this is all a bad look for Garret. And I don’t think we’ll ever know.
 
So if Hustler is unable to find any evidence of cheating, how do they proceed?

Do they let Gman continue to appear on the stream or do they ban him? Do they have any obligation to pursuade him to give her back the money? It was during the conversation between the producer and players that Gman apparently asked for the money. It could be interpreted that they put her in a hostile situation where she felt she was under duress and had no choice but to give him the money.
 
upNdown said:
Yeah, maybe. I don’t believe that he demanded the money back and I don’t believe that she offered it. We just don’t know.
But the bottom line is that unless she was actually cheating, this is all a bad look for Garret. And I don’t think we’ll ever know.
Click to expand...
Innocent until proven guilty. This reminds me of that whole chess nonsense.
 

Create an account or login to comment

You must be a member in order to leave a comment

Create account

Create an account and join our community. It's easy!

Register

Log in

Already have an account? Log in here.

Similar threads

Lts923
Any experience with these chairs??
Replies
5
Views
287
Lts923
Lts923
Natuie
My second attempt. What do you guys think?
2
Replies
43
Views
2K
ontheriver51
O
Booshme
Chip Breakdown for $2NL ----> $20NL, what do you guys think? 500-Chip Set with custom Denoms
Replies
9
Views
680
Darson
Darson
ekricket
  • Poll Poll
Rolling Stone cheating allegations
Replies
9
Views
885
Poker Zombie
Poker Zombie
N
  • Poll Poll
Samurai palace vs paulson classics or ??
Replies
24
Views
985
NoNamePokerGuy
N
Back
Top Bottom