Double Board Bomb Pot (3 Viewers)

[ruskba]

First of all, lol at this hand and any real discussion of strat, but here we go:

.25/.50 NLHE game, 9 handed. $1 bomb pots every 30 minutes. Hero joked a couple hours ago that we would switch to double board bomb pots after 9:00, and it’s 9:30 and everyone agreed to double board.

$9 in the pot.



Hero has the table covered, playing about $230 effective. 5 players check to hero in mid/late position, looks down at . Action?

 

[slisk250]

First of all, lol at this hand and any real discussion of strat, but here we go:

.25/.50 NLHE game, 9 handed. $1 bomb pots every 30 minutes. Hero joked a couple hours ago that we would switch to double board bomb pots after 9:00, and it’s 9:30 and everyone agreed to double board.

$9 in the pot.



Hero has the table covered, playing about $230 effective. 5 players check to hero in mid/late position, looks down at . Action?

check, fold to any bet.

 

[grebe]

play it hard and fast, hope to scoop or not at all seems to be the best way. Overbet pot, $15. I assume you are going to get calls from any queen and the Ace of spades.

Realize that you are only playing for half the pot here at a showdown, so if you run in to huge resistance, get out.

That's my thought.

 

[Prenders17]

check, fold to any bet.

Second that. One strategy here. Flop nuts and jam, hope to free roll the other board. In your case, you have zero equity on the top board, and are going to get outdrawn by the Ace half the time on the bottom. Back of the napkin math, you’ve got about 25% equity here, and will probably have to play for your stack. Pick a better spot.

 

[grebe]

Second that. One strategy here. Flop nuts and jam, hope to free roll the other board. In your case, you have zero equity on the top board, and are going to get outdrawn by the Ace half the time on the bottom. Back of the napkin math, you’ve got about 25% equity here, and will probably have to play for your stack. Pick a better spot.

About 25 percent with 7 outs and 2 cards to come.... Not 50 percent.

You do have some fold equity if nobody is holding a queen as well. I still say take a shot at it.

That being said, the fact you posted it here means things are a little more interesting than bet, folds around, you win 9 bucks.

 

[Prenders17]

About 25 percent with 7 outs and 2 cards to come.... Not 50 percent.

You do have some fold equity if nobody is holding a queen as well. I still say take a shot at it.

That being said, the fact you posted it here means things are a little more interesting than bet, folds around, you win 9 bucks.

Fair enough. Did the math. The 4th spade will get there 32% of the time. Gives roughly 34% equity in the total pot. That doesn’t count the combos where the Ace is suited and already ahead. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bomb pot not get to showdown so I wouldn’t give yourself a ton of fold equity. Negative equity Suited Aces and positive fold equity probably offset at best. If anyone boated up they are going to be doing the raising for you, so if you’re going to play it, I’d take this as a check/call and look for a safe turn to get more money in.

 

[DrStrange]

The bomb pot seems irrelevant. Adding a dollar to the pot might make the preflop a little more loose. But I don't see much difference now between an $8 pot and a $9. Certainly not enough to change how I would approach the hand.

Hero has made an error calling preflop. K6s is not a good hand. Even here when Hero gets lucky enough to flop a flush on one board he has to consider folding due to his poor prospects on the other board. Hand quality makes much more difference in double board games where a single shot of luck isn't enough to win the pot.

The table reads are essential to making a decision here. Are the villains more like calling stations or fit/fold post flop? Are they passive vs aggressive? Tricky trappy vs straightforward? I can respect a stab at the pot if there is a good reason to expect people to fold easily. But I doubt that is remotely reasonable playing with six players involved in the hand.

I think hero should be looking for an escape route. I would call small multiway bets but always with an eye towards folding. Hero's best hope is winning half the pot. That only makes money multiway. But Hero can be drawing nearly dead in the worst cases and often is drawing with negative equity playing heads up { ie the guy drawing to the naked ace of spades is better off than Hero is.}

I hate drawing to a chop at best and being scooped at worst. Why do that? Let the hand go if pressed.

DrStrange

 

[grebe]

Everybody sees the flop in a bomb pot. That's what it is.

Also, your percentages are still off for to the spade on the top board, so like 27%. Other than that, yeah sure, we are very vulnerable.

 

[detroitdad]

Bomb Pot Double Board PLO FWIW

as played I'm agreeing with mike. Check fold, or call a very small

 

[Kyle]

What the hell? What a bunch of nits. Everybody has a live random hand. He flops a K high flush and you guys are scared of monsters under the bed. Ha ha

I already know the outcome as I was there. But no way I play scared with a K high flush. Time to start building that pot!

***Split pot. Maybe some did not understand. Once all players have their cards we go straight to dealing the flop. No pre flop betting is involved. One winner to top board one winner to bottom board. Assuming hands are different.

 

[RichMahogany]

What the hell? What a bunch of nits. Everybody has a live random hand. He flops a K high flush and you guys are scared of monsters under the bed. Ha ha

I already know the outcome as I was there. But no way I play scared with a K high flush. Time to start building that pot!

Lol my first thought was “how do I push everyone else out to try for a scoop?”

 

[trigs]

What the hell? What a bunch of nits. Everybody has a live random hand. He flops a K high flush and you guys are scared of monsters under the bed. Ha ha

I already know the outcome as I was there. But no way I play scared with a K high flush. Time to start building that pot!

***Split pot. Maybe some did not understand. One winner to top board one winner to bottom board. Assuming hands are different.

Exactly what I thought after reading the comments, and I thought I was on the nitty side.

 

[grebe]

Ok, what are y'all doing here post flop?

The "nits" are check folding.

I'm betting 15 hoping nobody has a queen and happy to take it down.

 

[detroitdad]

Double Board Hold'em is a silly game. I have no desire to 1. Play it. 2. play second best on one board vs 9 players. If I had a piece of the the top board it would be a different story.

 

[WedgeRock]

Hero has made an error calling preflop.

In bomb pots, everyone throws xBB in and the hole cards are dealt and we go right to the flop. There was no PF call.

 

[ruskba]

Hero bets $10 given half the table has shown weakness. The general mood of the table is timid given this is the first double board. He gets called by two players that had checked.


$39 in the pot.



First to act (~$70) bets $15. He can be aggressive, but also can make plays light.

Next player (~$200) makes it $35. Not much of a read, haven’t played much with him. Did see him spew like 4 buyins in a couple hours a long time ago.

Hero?

 

[grebe]

Hero bets $10 given half the table has shown weakness. The general mood of the table is timid given this is the first double board. He gets called by two players that had checked.


$39 in the pot.



First to act (~$70) bets $15. He can be aggressive, but also can make plays light.

Next player (~$200) makes it $35. Not much of a read, haven’t played much with him. Did see him spew like 4 buyins in a couple hours a long time ago.

Hero?

Now I'm out. Good chance first to act is putting the rest in and I don't want squeezed. With only 11 invested, easy fold.

 

[BGinGA]

$9 in the pot.



Hero has the table covered, playing about $230 effective. 5 players check to hero in mid/late position, looks down at . Action?

Bet $9, but I hate money. Probably folding to a re-raise.

$39 in the pot.



First to act (~$70) bets $15. He can be aggressive, but also can make plays light.

Next player (~$200) makes it $35. Not much of a read, haven’t played much with him. Did see him spew like 4 buyins in a couple hours a long time ago.

Hero?

Fold. I don't hate money THAT much.

 

[ruskba]

Hero does in fact hate money.

Completely overthinking the hand, hero decides that the only hands that could be leading out and raising are boats, and the only boats that make sense are hands with a Q. Slight chance 22 is in there, but TT, and 55 are super unlikely, as would any combo thereof. Hero locks in to thinking he’s up against two Qx hands, worst case one with the . Hero calls, UTG jams his remaining $40 and the original raiser calls.

Hero?

 

[grebe]

Hero now calls, putting good money after bad. Sigh.

 

[BGinGA]

Calling is torching money. You're in the Land of Random Hands.... where boats abound when boards pair. Flush no good.

 

[grebe]

Hero now calls, putting good money after bad. Sigh.

Actually, I would like to change who the hero is for me:. My new hero is the guy that just pinched the old hero for another 70. He has AsKx and is free rolling. He may have ripped thru his first 4 buy ins, but he is about to cash in on his garbage table image.

That's my guy!

 

[Anthony Martino]

Hero bets $10 given half the table has shown weakness. The general mood of the table is timid given this is the first double board. He gets called by two players that had checked.


$39 in the pot.



First to act (~$70) bets $15. He can be aggressive, but also can make plays light.

Next player (~$200) makes it $35. Not much of a read, haven’t played much with him. Did see him spew like 4 buyins in a couple hours a long time ago.

Hero?

My assumption here is that both Villains are competing for the top board, and that you're still good with your flush on the bottom board. Another Ten hit the top board, so it's going to be hard for someone to have pocket 10's here. Likewise, quad 5's or a set of 2's, I think is just seeing monsters under the bed.

Now, being up against someone with would suck cause you're getting freerolled. You were supposed to catch running Kings on the top board, duh, that's poker 101! But since you didn't, I'm going to guess how this goes down. You wind up scooping by rivering broadway on the top board and being up against two guys with just trip Queens, and your flush holds on the bottom as well to scoop (I'm an eternal optimist though)

 

[ruskba]

So it’s pretty clear I played this hand horribly, so we’ll just wrap it up.

I call the $40.


$265 in the pot.



UTG is all in, next bets $50 into an empty side pot. Hero sees the 2 and now 22 is a slim holding. He agrees that both players have boats and flush is good on the bottom.

Turns out hero’s read was right! They both have boats. and are tabled by my opponents.

I lose the rest of my stack the next hand to one of the same players TT v QQ on a QTx flop. Fun times!

 

[DrStrange]

There is a critical lesson to be learned here when playing split pot games.

Avoid playing a deep stacked hand where you are at risk on "your" side of the pot with almost no equity on the other side. This isn't nitty, it is solid math. Heads we split the pot, tails I go broke is a sure way to go home a loser.

There are times you should play a one way hand. Maybe your side is a locked win - say you have quads on the top board. Or better, the hand goes multiway and at least your half of the pot has someone else's money in it if you win. But when the money goes in hot and heavy, your "pretty good but not close to the nut hand" is likely going down in flames.

Some of my biggest wins and losses in meat-up games came from split pot games where I got free-rolled by a one or two out draw or was free-rolling and hit a river miracle. And in almost every case there was a third or fourth player trying to win half a pot with little or no chance to succeed.

Really, folding these is the right play -=- DrStrange

PS ssssshhhhh please don't tell the other villains at next year's meat-ups.

 

[Kyle]

Nitty Nitty Nitty. Most people thought the villians were going for the top. Nobody assumed all players were going for the bottom.

And really you want 3 players in to try maximize profit if you think you have one side.

Would opinions change if Ruskba had the A High nut flush there? More then likely his result is the absolute same. He is just going to have to sit there and lose.

Reload nothing wrong the way he played it in my opinion. The villians were super lucky to fill up especially since they both had the same exact hand. You can also argue the villians were to the ones to fold after the flop based on the Nitty answers here.

Also the Villians were again stupid lucky to spike the last 10 on the top board. They didnt have anything on the top. If that doesnt happen Hero wins the top board with K high.

He got outdrawn on the very board he was going on with when it seems more obvious the top board should be better for them.

No shame. Reload. That is just a case of the poker gods punching you in the face.