Flopping Quad Aces - 1st to act (1 Viewer)

[MrCatPants]

Had an interesting hand near the end of the night on Saturday - curious how you all would have played it.

Short handed table (6 left), been playing circus games all night and so table is pretty call happy if there's any potential draws.

Dealer calls NLHE, I'm UTG and looking at so I open to 3x, get two callers both behind me, the blinds fold.

Flop is .

Is there any street you are leading off the betting? Or are you just checking all three and waiting/hoping someone boated/boats up and the action comes to you?

 

[JTBass]

check it down to the river, call any bets that are made, while taking your sweetass time. Never check the river.

 

[1A25R]

open 1/4 of the pot.
check turn and Hollywood call
Open river 1/2 pot OR dunk bet, it depends on villan

 

[Trihonda]

open 1/4 of the pot.
check turn and Hollywood call
Open river 1/2 pot OR dunk bet, it depends on villan

Pretty much this.

Bet small on flop (feeler bet)
Check the turn if you get called, like you’re giving up, and reluctantly call any bet
Lead out on the river, like the card helped you boat up

Don’t over act

The only thing that’s coming outta my mouth is “with 3 aces on the board, it’s less likely any of you have an ace” as I lead the river.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Based on the preflop action, it's a toss-up as to whether there are any pocket pairs out there, so betting the flop is probably a mistake. Check and see what happens. Really just hoping that someone spikes aces full of kings on the turn and gets sticky.

I'd be willing to bet out this flop sometimes, though. It depends on my table image, what's been happening lately, and the tendencies of my opponents. As long as someone has something to call with, betting the flop may be a great deceptive move because no one expects the flopped quads to bet out.

 

[CellarDoor85]

First Rule: Control your facial expression!

 

[Rhodeman77]

The only action you can get on the flop is from a small pocket pair and it is unlikely you will get 3 streets from it so your best bet is to check to give the others a chance to catch a card that will give them a full boat.

I check flop here, bet turn and river mixing in some big over bets on the river trying to look like a bluff that any full house will feel they should call the bluff.

 

[Highli99]

Stand up in your chair and declare “All In” out of turn. Then, look around sheepishly and sit down with your hands in front of your face like Phil Hellmuth and wait for the action to get to you. When it does, deliberately check with an unnecessarily dramatic tap of your index finger and a slightly cracking voice. Immediately begin wide eyed starring at the next to act. Repeat this on each street.

 

[PlaidDragon]

1. Short handed table (6 left)
2. table is pretty call happy
3. I'm UTG and looking at
4. I open to 3x, get two callers both behind me, the blinds fold.
5. Flop is .

Two callers of your 3x. One of them might have a low pair for a boat so I'd expect some action. Still, I'd check and let them bet for you on the flop and turn given you're out of position.

Post river, open up with a value bet.

 

[Chris Manzoni]

A check on the flop is ok if the stacks are shallow enough that you can still get it in with 2 streets of betting. If stacks are deep, I would likely bet the flop if I'm facing opponents who are at all competent.

 

[DrStrange]

It is all villain dependent. My bias is to let a card peel off, hoping for a face card. With the right kind of table a flop bet less than 1/2 pot might be better.

Let's be clear that Hero often wins no more than the preflop bets. Hands like 78s or J9o are likely done with the hand, perhaps even if they spike a full house. But you can't tempt them if you don't let them catch up with a free card. I am never giving two free cards though. Let's give villain a chance to make a bone head mistake.

On a truly lucky day hero gets the board to pair kings or queens on the turn and river. . . . . but that seems like quite a lucky thing to wish for. You already flopped quads after all.

DrStrange

 

[trever]

Bet half pot. Your utg raising range is mostly AX and pocket pairs, so you aren't fooling anyone with a check. Everybody expects the slowplay with quads, so make the bet and hope. I seriously doubt you get 3 streets of value here regardless, but I prefer flop/river bets over turn/river.

 

[JustinInMN]

So many questions?

What can villians call with on this flop? If they can call with king highs I would lean more towards betting. If they can call with small-middle pairs I would lean towards betting.

What is your preflop image like? Can you raise preflop utg with anything that does not have an ace or a pair? (Maybe kq or kjs?)

If so are how often are you c-betting flops after being the preflop raiser?

If you are c-betting 100 percent then I think you have to bet this one as well and hope 77-99 get sticky. If you check a certain percentage of flops instead of c-betting then I think you can check the flop and try for two streets of value on turn-river. Checking would be helpful here to balance if you can ever pf raise kq, kj as well.

Otherwise you have such an obvious range advantage on this flop because you can account for all the aces and the callers at best have like 88-99, and worst k-hi or other connectors, there is just no value to be had in this spot.

So in short, I would make my decision on the flop based on my c- betting strategy.

If I can get here with any king highs, I am going to play this like king high. That means check if I am checking some misses like king high, or bet if I am doing 100% c-bets.

If I am doing 100% c-bets, @trever is right and checking this particular flop is just too obvious. May as well hope this is the time you catch a sticky villian and get three streets. Otherwise if you just win this on the flop, you were very likely to win the same amount by slow playing as well.

 

[MrCatPants]

So I hadn't been C betting frequently at the table. Had established a pretty conservative image...one of those where people think I'm catching cards only because they only call me down (by design) when I do actually catch them, and been folding alot.

Ended up checking around on the flop. Jack on the turn. Checked to button, who bet the pot. I Hollywood called (not seeing that his 2 chips had been all he had and he hadn't announced all in.)

Middle player folded. Bettor tabled QJ, and I flipped my ace.

Bad words were said that day.

 

[Perthmike]

Haha epic accidental slowroll dude.

I agree with your flop check, given your small c betting frequency and overall image at the table.

 

[xdan]

Go all in so they don’t catch runner runner royal flush without paying to draw.

 

[ovo]

Don't swallow

 

[WedgeRock]

I think alot like @DrStrange on this one. Often you aren't getting more than the blinds with three aces on the board. I would bet and if I take it down right there, I am happy to let them guess if I had anything. And if I get a caller, I say, "Is your pocket pair bigger than mine?" as I check the turn.

 

[yone]

I c-bet frequently, so most likely I will bet the flop. If called, I might check the turn. Since, it’s aces the table knows it’s possible that someone has one.

 

[Outkicked]

I wouldn’t bet flop, you are way ahead and need to give others a reason to be in the hand, give people the turn to improve, if checked around on flop put out a small turn bet looks like trying to steal if raised then this is where you either pull the trigger and try to get it all in on the turn, or if you call and wait til the river it will look weird to lead out depending on the board, so on river hopefully you have a good read on the hand and can either check and shove, or bet (will look fishy) and look for value

 

[yone]

Only reason I like betting on the flop is to make it look like I’m c-betting. I know, that they know, that I know that betting with the nuts with a board like that, most will fold. Reverse reverse psychology Most people will likely try to trap in that situation. Plus if you get a call the pot will grow, justifying larger bets down the road. It’s a gamble for large payoff. Check, check, bet definitely will scare me more if I was the opposing player, even if I hit a pair especially because of the preflop raise.

 

[Outkicked]

Stand up in your chair and declare “All In” out of turn. Then, look around sheepishly and sit down with your hands in front of your face like Phil Hellmuth and wait for the action to get to you. When it does, deliberately check with an unnecessarily dramatic tap of your index finger and a slightly cracking voice. Immediately begin wide eyed starring at the next to act. Repeat this on each street.

Brilliant

 

[WedgeRock]

I know, that they know, that I know that betting with the nuts with a board like that, most will fold. Reverse reverse psychology

 

[yone]

Ok ok not a ground breaking strategy. Your response did make me laughing!