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[WillAndrew]

Heads-up at a casual 8 player home tourney. I've got villain's stack covered by about 300% and he's got about 15 BB. V is a bit of a twitchy kid, but he likes to deal full-time and I don't have a problem with that. He happens to be on the button so I am first to act holding . I've been pushing him around and we've each folded a lot of pre-flop hands into each other for being heads-up.

We get into a flop at minimum and it comes out .

His deal style is to lay out the turn and river face down (not a fan, but less of a fan of dealing all night) so there is a burn pile of three cards from the get go. Villain reaches for his hole cards and picks up the burn pile instead that is right in front of him since we're heads up and going through hands quickly. He looks at three dead cards, then at me who is just staring at him, then at his hole cards, then at me, who is still just staring at him with my jaw a little bit dropped at all of this. Again, he's a little twitchy so it was all pretty funny to watch.

What are your first words to him, and how do you continue?

 

[AlPresidente]

Demand he flips the junk pile so you can see it too. Is he running the tourney?

 

[detroitdad]

Hopefully you used this screw up to give him a proper lesson on how to deal.

 

[Trihonda]

Simply acknowledge that the mistake happened, and ask for the burn cards to be flipped up so that everyone can see them, then just move on with the action. No big deal. Hopefully he has pocket aces.

Alternately, you could just allow him to use all of the cards in the burn pile along with his cards to make the best poker hand. Maybe he will pull out two eights, and that you will felt him, winning the tournament

 

[QuiQuog]

First say "Tell Jabba I've got his money"
Proceed by pumping a blaster bolt into his belly.

 

[Max D]

To be fair, as long as his hole cards are identifiable, ask to flip discard pile so you can see it too and move on, since it is a friendly game and substantial action has happen you should keep going. And then give him a three round penaltyJ/K

 

[MacGrad]

Call the floor and ask for a ruling.

If I'm running the tournament, then I'm treating this the same way I would if it happened earlier in the night. If I'm killing the hand if there's 5 players left, then this hand is killed as well. However, I'd also use this as a teachable moment for the V -- I'd flip my hand over, and let V know he's going to be dealing properly for the rest of the night (and for the next tourney, etc.) because of this.

If I let the hand go on, and then knocked V out to win any money, it wouldn't be right. And if there's no money involved, then redeal anyhow -- if it's only bragging rights at stake, then beat him on a future hand.

 

[WillAndrew]

I was more looking to see how you would extract as many chips as you could out of the situation. Showing the pile would probably be the best move but it was late, and never even crossed my mind. I simply said "It's... it's fine" and checked to him, made the minimum bet on the turn, and a 3x min on the river. He folded and I made one BB from the river bets. Anyone who hadn't just tilted the hell out of himself would have folded immediately as soon as I said it was fine.

We were at my place, but it was a group of regulars and no feelings were hurt. I probably should have offered one big flat bet and he could use all ten cards lol

 

[Blaster]

His deal style is to lay out the turn and river face down (not a fan, but less of a fan of dealing all night) so there is a burn pile of three cards from the get go.

This just crosses the line, I would never allow any player to "pre-deal/pre-burn" the board cards in advance, ever, any more than allowing 1 player to double dip string bet.
The 1st time I saw that, it would be shut down, & I would not want to be in anyone's home game that allows that sort of lax style ...
He should have been told what the concept of burn cards are, the 1st time he tried that ....
I was once at a local firehouse/VFW type tournament, about 10 tables of 10, self deal, & there was a guy at my table that started to face-down "set up" the whole board.. ..
The loud objections of "Whoa, Whoa, What The, Whoa, you can't do that", by almost everyone at the table, & I think 1 or 2 that observed from a near table, could be hard probably outside & across the street, & it scared the crap out of that novice ... I doubt he ever tried that again .. ...

 

[WillAndrew]

If I'm running the tournament, then I'm treating this the same way I would if it happened earlier in the night. If I'm killing the hand if there's 5 players left, then this hand is killed as well.
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If I let the hand go on, and then knocked V out to win any money, it wouldn't be right.

I see where you're coming from with this, but I'm not sure if I absolutely agree

This just crosses the line, I would never allow any player to "pre-deal/pre-burn" the board cards in advance, ever, any more than allowing 1 player to double dip string bet.
The 1st time I saw that, it would be shut down, & I would not want to be in anyone's home game that allows that sort of lax style ...
He should have been told what the concept of burn cards are, the 1st time he tried that ....
I was once at a local firehouse/VFW type tournament, about 10 tables of 10, self deal, & there was a guy at my table that started to face-down "set up" the whole board.. ..
The loud objections of "Whoa, Whoa, What The, Whoa, you can't do that", by almost everyone at the table, & I think 1 or 2 that observed from a near table, could be hard probably outside & across the street, & it scared the crap out of that novice ... I doubt he ever tried that again .. ...

Do I like it? Nope.
Are we going to chastise and "scare the crap out of" a new guy who is feeling good about how he's played that night? Nope.
Does laying out the cards make a difference? Not really. I'm not going to play with anyone smart enough to edge sort

The burgers I grilled were delicious and he paid for them. Everybody paid for them. And that's all that matters!

 

[detroitdad]

I see where you're coming from with this, but I'm not sure if I absolutely agree


Do I like it? Nope.
Are we going to chastise and "scare the crap out of" a new guy who is feeling good about how he's played that night? Nope.
Does laying out the cards make a difference? Not really. I'm not going to play with anyone smart enough to edge sort

The burgers I grilled were delicious and he paid for them. Everybody paid for them. And that's all that matters!

You don't have to "chastise" him. You could "teach" him the correct way to burn/deal the cards. This would have been a great opportunity to show him one of the reasons why not to pre burn the cards. If its not corrected now its only going to happen again.

Not pre burning the cards isn't any harder than pre burning and it can help avoid situations like this.