Player consistently damages cards... (1 Viewer)

[Timmah]

I had a brand new Desjgn setup I opened for a game. One guy got a bad beat so he slammed his hand onto his cards while holding a chip. He put a dent on one of the cards. I pointed it out and another guy stated that you can dent a card with a chip. Then he demonstrated… Dent in second deck. FML

 

[mdt11]

These are the thickest cards I’ve played with

https://a.co/d/h0CDU4v

 

[SetToBean]

Speaking generally, I don't really see why people are so hesitant to take decisive action when it comes to respecting the poker kit. Plenty of enthusiast hosts are spending 1000s or even 10000s on their collections without recouping costs by raking or seeking donations, and even in those that do the latter plenty still run negative due to food costs etc..

Having access to the kit is a privilege, and while no one should make a habit of turning kit costs into a flex, it means hosts really shouldn't have to scramble for justifications to call out people directly (in private or public as appropriate for the infraction). Directness is not the same as rudeness.

 

[Labrat]

Speaking generally, I don't really see why people are so hesitant to take decisive action when it comes to respecting the poker kit. Plenty of enthusiast hosts are spending 1000s or even 10000s on their collections without recouping costs by raking or seeking donations, and even in those that do the latter plenty still run negative due to food costs etc..

Having access to the kit is a privilege, and while no one should make a habit of turning kit costs into a flex, it means hosts really shouldn't have to scramble for justifications to call out people directly (in private or public as appropriate for the infraction). Directness is not the same as rudeness.

To be fair, not all poker players are chip (or card) enthusiasts.

In fact, I'd say very few really care about the chips in the grand scheme of things.

That being said, I stand by my original demonstration of how to handle the situation in my first post.

 

[SetToBean]

To be fair, not all poker players are chip (or card) enthusiasts.

In fact, I'd say very few really care about the chips in the grand scheme of things.

That being said, I stand by my original demonstration of how to handle the situation in my first post.

For sure, but a bit of common sense and decency should give guests the impression that the event and the related kit (which can be a lot broader than cards and chips) are something that the host deeply cares about ultimately out of providing the experience for them as much as for themselves, even if the finer points of quality are lost on some guests.

Same thing for any hobby that gets wrapped up in little details.

 

[Labrat]

For sure, but a bit of common sense and decency

When's the last time you sat at a poker table?

 

[upNdown]

Speaking generally, I don't really see why people are so hesitant to take decisive action when it comes to respecting the poker kit. Plenty of enthusiast hosts are spending 1000s or even 10000s on their collections without recouping costs by raking or seeking donations, and even in those that do the latter plenty still run negative due to food costs etc..

Having access to the kit is a privilege, and while no one should make a habit of turning kit costs into a flex, it means hosts really shouldn't have to scramble for justifications to call out people directly (in private or public as appropriate for the infraction). Directness is not the same as rudeness.

Sure, I’ve got thousands and thousands of dollars into my poker stuff. But nobody’s damaging my chips (or my table or my chairs.)
They’re damaging a $10 setup of cards, which are consumables anyway. Not a big deal.

 

[SetToBean]

When's the last time you sat at a poker table?

Australia has some of the worst experiences in open-entry poker in the form of widespread low-stakes pub poker leagues given our terribly managed casino poker rooms and lack of cardrooms in 99% of the country. Feeds into why I have pretty strong feelings about etiquette and all adjacent topics in my games - it's really not something I want any risk of spilling over.

 

[ekricket]

To be fair, not all poker players are chip (or card) enthusiasts.

In fact, I'd say very few really care about the chips in the grand scheme of things.

I’m not really big into wall art. But when I go over to my friends houses I don’t mess with their wall art to make it more appealing to me. I don’t pull padding out of the chair I’m sitting in to make it more comfortable for me and I don’t criticize their deviled eggs - “next time don’t put as much mustard”. I respect their abode and their gear and try to not leave a trace.

I realize that my expectations are severe and people are inherently disrespectful (respect is a learned skill) so I cut them some slack. But after it’s been brought to their attention -that I do care about my stuff and how it’s handled and they don’t care and continue to do it anyway, either they are out or the activity ceases at my place.

 

[Irish]

I thought I read it somewhere and found this blurb here.
"The brand is called Guild and the cards are 100% acetate plastic (same material as Modiano Platinum and Kems)"

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/playing-card-review-guild.12814/

I also see the word acetate in the description when they are sold which is why I was leaning toward that they are.
Regardless for my game they hold up much better with minimal dings that I have not been able to detect by sight when they are in the muck.

Yep their packaging indicates the stock is cellulose acetate, though I recall there was some debate on whether this was supposed to be PVC vs cellulose.

The guy who initially was selling these was on PCF, he indicated these were the same stock as Modiano Platinums and I believe him, to me they feel identical. Some of the nicest cards out there!

It's actually kinda funny my review thread recently got bumped, I just had to formally retire my first set of Guilds last weekend, found a mark in one of the cards and the full set faces were visibly starting to fade.

8 years is a pretty good run for a setup!

On the topic of cards getting marked, I always make a PSA if a run into a stint of cards getting marked. And at my meetups someone usually brings it up at the beginning after we had that one particularly bad year lol. Usually that's all it takes, a little edumacation goes a long way. If I were to run into a player that consistently didn't GAF after being told, they wouldn't be invited back, period.

 

[MoeRichard]

Have some buddies who do this with any type of cards (poker, board games, etc...). Easy to remind them once, but always awkward the second or third time around.

 

[SetToBean]

Sure, I’ve got thousands and thousands of dollars into my poker stuff. But nobody’s damaging my chips (or my table or my chairs.)
They’re damaging a $10 setup of cards, which are consumables anyway. Not a big deal.

Preferences vary. To me every $10 avoidably spent (i.e spent without a benefit to the nights' entertainment) on consumables that could have been saved is $10 less that could be saved for whatever non-essential luxury upgrade I'm looking at next.

It sucks for the people who do appreciate and enjoy quality cards to not be able to play with them when reckless handling can either lead to a non-trivial expense for the host or that deck being out of play for weeks while waiting on a card replacement (shipping to Australia moment).

 

[merkong]

One of my regulars is constantly bringing in new setups (brutal right? lol) and he fans them out here and there during the Directors Cut (our regulars hang out for an hour or so after the session and chat) looking for marks on the cards. If someone was marking them by way of checking hole cards etc and was told not knock it off and didn’t there would have to be consequences. All the way up to not being invited.

 

[HiveKueen]

So I’m hoping I’ve resolved the problem. I had Mr. Heavy Hand come in early to the game this past Thursday so I could show him exactly what he was doing to dent my cards. I also showed him several alternative ways to look at his cards. Because he wants to be allowed to continue to play, he made a concerted effort to adopt a new way of looking during the game. I’m hopeful!

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

So I’m hoping I’ve resolved the problem. I had Mr. Heavy Hand come in early to the game this past Thursday so I could show him exactly what he was doing to dent my cards. I also showed him several alternative ways to look at his cards. Because he wants to be allowed to continue to play, he made a concerted effort to adopt a new way of looking during the game. I’m hopeful!

Wooo! Great job, people are people. Next time he shows up, thank him for not marking the cards this time and being careful. Full Pavlov: reminding him he did good last time and subtly asking him to keep it up.

I suppose a sticker chart is out of the question.

 

[DuckFat]

Sure, I’ve got thousands and thousands of dollars into my poker stuff. But nobody’s damaging my chips (or my table or my chairs.)
They’re damaging a $10 setup of cards, which are consumables anyway. Not a big deal.

This is how I see it. I buy cards by the case for this reason. Cards will get damaged/dirty/sticky over time and be tossed every 2-3 sessions.

 

[Jake14mw]

Wow, I don't care if the cards cost $5 or $500, there's no good reason for anyone to ruin them. I think the OP handled it correctly. Respectfully show him that the way he's handling your cards is ruining them. Since there's no good reason to handle them that way, if he's a decent human being he'll change the way he's handling them. If he doesn't change he's out.

Another thought I had is to gift him a set of cards that stay at your house. If he ruins a set of your cards you use his gifted set and tell him to bring another spare set with him next time as a back up. If he ruins "his" setup and doesn't have a new backup then he pays you for the night's set up or doesn't play.

 

[JMC9389]

Buy a case of these, problem solved. Can't beat plastic cards for $3/deck

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/copag-resorts-world-at-sea-plastic-playing-cards.126287/

 

[BigSlick4523]

Buy a case of these, problem solved. Can't beat plastic cards for $3/deck

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/copag-resorts-world-at-sea-plastic-playing-cards.126287/

Until he plays 24 times and ruins them all

 

[HiveKueen]

Wow, I don't care if the cards cost $5 or $500, there's no good reason for anyone to ruin them. I think the OP handled it correctly. Respectfully show him that the way he's handling your cards is ruining them. Since there's no good reason to handle them that way, if he's a decent human being he'll change the way he's handling them. If he doesn't change he's out.

Another thought I had is to gift him a set of cards that stay at your house. If he ruins a set of your cards you use his gifted set and tell him to bring another spare set with him next time as a back up. If he ruins "his" setup and doesn't have a new backup then he pays you for the night's set up or doesn't play.

Thanks for your thoughts. Once he was sure I wasn’t accusing him of cheating he quickly accepted directions on how to change his peeking style and the problem is solved!

 

[BigSlick4523]

Thanks for your thoughts. Once he was sure I wasn’t accusing him of cheating he quickly accepted directions on how to change his peeking style and the problem is solved!

glad to hear thats awesome