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Game of Thrones (HBO Series - NO BOOK SPOILERS) (1 Viewer)

BonScot said:
Still can’t believe how easily he was dispatched and how much of a non-character he turned out to be.
I’m hoping that there’s a twist in there somewhere to make him worthwhile...
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I'm 90% sure its solely so they could delve more into it in one of the many pre-quels they've agreed to. I think one during the age of the first men and another around roberts rebellion. Super dumb and annoying but I can't say no to more GOT series so I'll take the good with the bad.
 
BonScot said:
Still can’t believe how easily he was dispatched and how much of a non-character he turned out to be.
I’m hoping that there’s a twist in there somewhere to make him worthwhile...
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I think he has the Reality Stone so he just made it appear that he was dead. Hit Girl will take him down in the end though
 
It was not the same spot.

Here we have the dragonglass blade, inserted just below the nipple line. Sternum, level with the 4th intercostal space.
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Here we see (kinda, thanks mr cinematographer) the blade enters just above the metal cumberbund.
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It is hard to see, but there is only one horizontal armored section on the Night Kings rigid studded leather armor. and she stabbed right above it. Gut shot.
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I don't get how that is "unprotected", but whatever. Fact remains, she clearly stabbed him in a different location.
 
Poker Zombie said:
It was not the same spot.

Here we have the dragonglass blade, inserted just below the nipple line. Sternum, level with the 4th intercostal space.
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Here we see (kinda, thanks mr cinematographer) the blade enters just above the metal cumberbund.
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It is hard to see, but there is only one horizontal armored section on the Night Kings rigid studded leather armor. and she stabbed right above it. Gut shot.
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I don't get how that is "unprotected", but whatever. Fact remains, she clearly stabbed him in a different location.
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Thanks for clearing that up Quincy!!
 
Poker Zombie said:
It was not the same spot.

Here we have the dragonglass blade, inserted just below the nipple line. Sternum, level with the 4th intercostal space.
View attachment 283219

Here we see (kinda, thanks mr cinematographer) the blade enters just above the metal cumberbund.
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It is hard to see, but there is only one horizontal armored section on the Night Kings rigid studded leather armor. and she stabbed right above it. Gut shot.
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I don't get how that is "unprotected", but whatever. Fact remains, she clearly stabbed him in a different location.
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Why do you make me do this ! :ROFL: :ROFLMAO: I'm just playing but hold one while I gather together some documentation.
 
Poker Zombie said:
It was not the same spot.

Here we have the dragonglass blade, inserted just below the nipple line. Sternum, level with the 4th intercostal space.
View attachment 283219

Here we see (kinda, thanks mr cinematographer) the blade enters just above the metal cumberbund.
View attachment 283221

It is hard to see, but there is only one horizontal armored section on the Night Kings rigid studded leather armor. and she stabbed right above it. Gut shot.
View attachment 283223

I don't get how that is "unprotected", but whatever. Fact remains, she clearly stabbed him in a different location.
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OK here we go!

1) The Night King decided to change his shirt for some reason (the two X's will be explained shortly)
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2) Here's a brighter version of the same shot you included @Poker Zombie
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3a & 3b) Next shot where the NK starts to turn to ice
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Shot 1 - green "X" shows about where the NK was stabbed originally to turn him into the NK and the red circle shows the possible approximate areas (based on shots 2, 3a, & 3b) where Arya stabbed him to kill him. I saw possible approximate because it looks like the place where she stabbed him changes from shots 2 & 3a/3b. Shot 2 its clearly between his "armor" (at least thicker leather bands) and shots 3a/3b it looks like the knife is now above that gap and in that leather band area.

What does this mean? I'd argue both scenarios could still be equally as true. He could have been stabbed in the exact same place as before or a different place.

Why? 1) In Shot 2 it's not clear where in the gap (left/right) he got stabbed so this close up could have been meant to show him getting stabbed in the same point as he first got stabbed. 2) In Shots 3a/3b it does appear the location moves to above the leather armor and is not in the same place as he originally got stabbed. While it could be argued this was to show he was not stabbed in the same place I think it's equally if not more likely that it means the show just messed up on continuity here since the location is clearly different in the shot just before which as a close up, is much more likely to have been done to show the specific place he was stabbed. Shots 3a/3b are farther away and to show the NK turn to ice and to shatter, not to clearly identify the location he was stabbed thus the location matching is not the most important part of the scene. 3) Again going back to what the show runner said "we knew it had to be... [in] the exact same spot" where he was created. These all together, to me, shows it up in the air but still quite possible they meant for him to be stabbed in the exact same place.

So... Personally I still think it's 50/50 but can see both sides and why they'd say its 100% in either case.
 
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ReallyGoodUsername said:
OK here we go!

1) The Night King decided to change his shirt for some reason (the two X's will be explained shortly)
View attachment 283276

2) Here's a brighter version of the same shot you included @Poker Zombie
View attachment 283265

3a & 3b) Next shot where the NK starts to turn to ice
View attachment 283266View attachment 283267

Shot 1 - green "X" shows about where the NK was stabbed originally to turn him into the NK and the red circle shows the possible approximate areas (based on shots 2, 3a, & 3b) where Arya stabbed him to kill him. I saw possible approximate because it looks like the place where she stabbed him changes from shots 2 & 3a/3b. Shot 2 its clearly between his "armor" (at least thicker leather bands) and shots 3a/3b it looks like the knife is now above that gap and in that leather band area.

What does this mean? I'd argue both scenarios could still be equally as true. He could have been stabbed in the exact same place as before or a different place.

Why? 1) In Shot 2 it's not clear where in the gap (left/right) he got stabbed so this close up could have been meant to show him getting stabbed in the same point as he first got stabbed. 2) In Shots 3a/3b it does appear the location moves to above the leather armor and is not in the same place as he originally got stabbed. While it could be argued this was to show he was not stabbed in the same place I think it's equally if not more likely that it means the show just messed up on continuity here since the location is clearly different in the shot just before which as a close up, is much more likely to have been done to show the specific place he was stabbed. Shots 3a/3b are farther away and to show the NK turn to ice and to shatter, not to clearly identify the location he was stabbed thus the location matching is not the most important part of the scene. 3) Again going back to what the show runner said "we knew it had to be... [in] the exact same spot" where he was created. These all together, to me, shows it up in the air but still quite possible they meant for him to be stabbed in the exact same place.

So... Personally I still think it's 50/50 but can see both sides and why they'd say its 100% in either case.
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Looks like he got it in the side under his strangling arm...
Either way he’s an embarrassment. Gargamel was a better villain :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Poker Zombie said:
I am now more intrigued by the NK changing outfits.

I guess That's why the army had giant dragon-dredging chains. They had to pull the team's wardrobe with something.
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He actually changed multiple times not only the outfits but even the way the WW and he looked. If you look at your picture from hard home he definitely has a thicker more prominent nose and IMO a longer face.
 
ReallyGoodUsername said:
He actually changed multiple times not only the outfits but even the way the WW and he looked. If you look at your picture from hard home he definitely has a thicker more prominent nose and IMO a longer face.
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Costume changes and plastic surgery... I’m telling you it’s Michael Jackson!!

“Evil queen is not my lover (oohoo) she’s just a girl who says that I am the one, but the kid’s her brother’s son (shamone)”
 
Seems to me the only semi-straightforward battle strategy with any prayer (as opposed to some super tricksy “lure NK into vulnerable spot” gambit) is to create a relatively tight moat of fire around the castle. Then, let the dead/undead hordes draw in, compacting their ranks up close to it, for more efficient frying by dragonfire.

Then have one dragon zip around in circles, incinerating the dead/undead army in dragon-fire-wide concentric rings, while the other dragon holds the ice dragon at bay... (Note: I have no idea if incinerated dead/undead can be raised, but whatever. Same point. You have the world’s two biggest flamethrowers, use ’em.)

Any other strategery involving hand-to-hand combat is a non-starter though, sure, some strategies are going to lead to total defeat faster than others, and the alliance picked one of the dumber ones.

That said, the whole debate seems kind of pointless b/c obviously the show’s goal was for the battle to become a debacle one way or another—so that Saint Arya could save the day with a Hail Mary pass, and leave almost all the “important“ characters in play for three more episodes.
 
Taghkanic said:
Seems to me the only semi-straightforward battle strategy with any prayer (as opposed to some super tricksy “lure NK into vulnerable spot” gambit) is to create a relatively tight moat of fire around the castle. Then, let the dead/undead hordes draw in, compacting their ranks up close to it, for more efficient frying by dragonfire.

Then have one dragon zip around in circles, incinerating the dead/undead army in dragon-fire-wide concentric rings, while the other dragon holds the ice dragon at bay... (Note: I have no idea if incinerated dead/undead can be raised, but whatever. Same point. You have the world’s two biggest flamethrowers, use ’em.)

Any other strategery involving hand-to-hand combat is a non-starter though, sure, some strategies are going to lead to total defeat faster than others, and the alliance picked one of the dumber ones.

That said, the whole debate seems kind of pointless b/c obviously the show’s goal was for the battle to become a debacle one way or another—so that Saint Arya could save the day with a Hail Mary pass, and leave almost all the “important“ characters in play for three more episodes.
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100% agree with all you said and it would definitely be plausible even in the constraints of the show. One issue I kept thinking about dragon stuff though is the NK or WW and their javelins that can apparently take them down in one hit. Not sure if the WW can throw the javelins or if they're just the NK's support team but that'd be my guess why Dany/Jon initially wanted to keep the dragons out of the fight. Either way as you pointed if we're going with keeping stuff within the ploy constraints of the show then it's all moot!
 
Taghkanic said:
Seems to me the only semi-straightforward battle strategy with any prayer (as opposed to some super tricksy “lure NK into vulnerable spot” gambit) is to create a relatively tight moat of fire around the castle. Then, let the dead/undead hordes draw in, compacting their ranks up close to it, for more efficient frying by dragonfire.

Then have one dragon zip around in circles, incinerating the dead/undead army in dragon-fire-wide concentric rings, while the other dragon holds the ice dragon at bay... (Note: I have no idea if incinerated dead/undead can be raised, but whatever. Same point. You have the world’s two biggest flamethrowers, use ’em.)
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So you are saying, that you would take a dragon in limited visibility, make him stand out easily with a pillar for mouth-flame, so the easiest target for a javelin-chicking Night King wold kill your dragon in the first 30 seconds of battle?

Would you commit one or two dragons to this proven immediately futile effort?
 
Poker Zombie said:
So you are saying, that you would take a dragon in limited visibility, make him stand out easily with a pillar for mouth-flame, so the easiest target for a javelin-chicking Night King wold kill your dragon in the first 30 seconds of battle?

Would you commit one or two dragons to this proven immediately futile effort?
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ReallyGoodUsername said:
OK here we go!

1) The Night King decided to change his shirt for some reason (the two X's will be explained shortly)
View attachment 283276

2) Here's a brighter version of the same shot you included @Poker Zombie
View attachment 283265

3a & 3b) Next shot where the NK starts to turn to ice
View attachment 283266View attachment 283267

Shot 1 - green "X" shows about where the NK was stabbed originally to turn him into the NK and the red circle shows the possible approximate areas (based on shots 2, 3a, & 3b) where Arya stabbed him to kill him. I saw possible approximate because it looks like the place where she stabbed him changes from shots 2 & 3a/3b. Shot 2 its clearly between his "armor" (at least thicker leather bands) and shots 3a/3b it looks like the knife is now above that gap and in that leather band area.

What does this mean? I'd argue both scenarios could still be equally as true. He could have been stabbed in the exact same place as before or a different place.

Why? 1) In Shot 2 it's not clear where in the gap (left/right) he got stabbed so this close up could have been meant to show him getting stabbed in the same point as he first got stabbed. 2) In Shots 3a/3b it does appear the location moves to above the leather armor and is not in the same place as he originally got stabbed. While it could be argued this was to show he was not stabbed in the same place I think it's equally if not more likely that it means the show just messed up on continuity here since the location is clearly different in the shot just before which as a close up, is much more likely to have been done to show the specific place he was stabbed. Shots 3a/3b are farther away and to show the NK turn to ice and to shatter, not to clearly identify the location he was stabbed thus the location matching is not the most important part of the scene. 3) Again going back to what the show runner said "we knew it had to be... [in] the exact same spot" where he was created. These all together, to me, shows it up in the air but still quite possible they meant for him to be stabbed in the exact same place.

So... Personally I still think it's 50/50 but can see both sides and why they'd say its 100% in either case.
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Agree with it not entering the skin at the same place, but anatomically, either spot could/would hit the heart, which could be “the exact same place”.
 
Taghkanic said:
Supermarket tabloids are saying that the NK is a real diva, before battles he must have in his tent two cases of La Croix on ice and a dish of peanut M&Ms (blue only), or he throws a fit.
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He’s been seen out with Gwyneth Paltrow but said she was too frosty...
 
The show writers have gone so far away from the fantasy side of the story I feel they struggled to close out the NK in a way that works. Hell, I believe George Martin actually called the writer of the last episode an intern, so that probably speaks volumes about what he thinks of the story at this point.

I think they did well killing of the Dothraki but maybe they could’ve had something set them off into battle so that could’ve made up for the “terrible medieval war tactics because all of a sudden everyone is an expert on calvary and foot soldiers”.
 
Taghkanic said:
Except that people have been saying the NK would be hanging back in the early stages. Now he’s going to march right up front at the start with a javelin? Make up your minds!
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That’s the problem. No one knows what the NK would or wouldn’t do. There’s not enough info to say what he would do. The guy probably feels invincible and controls the undead. Why wouldn’t he go waltzing in like he owns the joint. He would feel very safe imo.
 
stocky said:
That’s the problem. No one knows what the NK would or wouldn’t do. There’s not enough info to say what he would do. The guy probably feels invincible and controls the undead. Why wouldn’t he go waltzing in like he owns the joint. He would feel very safe imo.
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I'd argue the NK not being in the front line or near the zombies at the beginning is one of the few things we can speculate based on 4+ instances of seeing him in battle:

ReallyGoodUsername said:
2) the NK would not be fighting in the front of the army or be near the zombies at all. This is based on every single previous encounter with the NK (frozen lake, hardhome, attack on bran and the original three eyed raven, fist of the first men, etc) which was known by first hand experience by someone Jon had been taking to (himself, Bran, and Sam)
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ReallyGoodUsername said:
I'd argue the NK not being in the front line or near the zombies at the beginning is one of the few things we can speculate based on 4+ instances of seeing him in battle:
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he didn’t have a dragon then.

Also I’d argue those instances were hardly battles in the same sense.

The fist was an ambush and slaughter.

Bran was a smash and grab, where btw he also just waltzed his way in

Hardhome was the closest thing to a battle where he had “generals” or whatever jumping down into the fight.

Again the ice lake hardly a battle
 
stocky said:
he didn’t have a dragon then.

Also I’d argue those instances were hardly battles in the same sense.

The fist was an ambush and slaughter.

Bran was a smash and grab, where btw he also just waltzed his way in

Hardhome was the closest thing to a battle where he had “generals” or whatever jumping down into the fight.

Again the ice lake hardly a battle
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All true but in war all you have to go off of is past experiences and in this case he followed the same pattern of not positioning himself with his zombies or at the front of the battle.

As long as Jon and Dany presented themselves/the dragons first, which they essentially had to or the zombies would have won, the NK would have pulled the same storm/try to pick of the dragons 1 by 1 strategy. I don’t think it’d have mattered how/when/where Jon & Dany entered the battled.
 

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