Game of Thrones (HBO Series - NO BOOK SPOILERS) (3 Viewers)

[Anthony Martino]

haven't seen it yet, but it seems this has gone down the path of Michael Bay. Stunning visuals but no fucking substance. The writers/showrunners have failed to keep the flavor of each character intact and have been rushing everything for the past couple of seasons to propel it to this end.

What an absolute waste of some amazing source material.

 

[1A25R]

 

[RainmanTrail]

Scorpions went from over powered dragon killers and boat destroyers to harmless junk over 1 episode.

Dragon fire now blows up rock.

Dani, queen of slaves and the poor, goes crazy and now likes roasting as many of them alive as possible. It would be reasonable to just toast the entire army, but to wipe out the common folk along with the entire city makes no sense.

Complaining about this thread complaining about the show makes no sense either. The show deserves the criticism - totally farcical let down tonight

Really?

Last week, Daenerys was caught off guard by the scorpions. She was just flying in casually and got fired upon. This week, she anticipated it and surprised them from the clouds. Not sure why that's so unbelievable for you. Next you'll complain that dragons aren't real.

Who said fire blows up rocks? I think the implication is that the force exerted by the dragon's breathing fire knocks over buildings and walls.

Daenerys killing all the women and children has been foreshadowed pretty heavily all season. No one should have been caught off guard by that, assuming they've been paying attention.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

Last week, Daenerys was caught off guard by the scorpions. She was just flying in casually and got fired upon. This week, she anticipated it and surprised them from the clouds. Not sure why that's so unbelievable for you. Next you'll complain that dragons aren't real.

I think the critic here is that the scorpions last week were 4 for 4 from 3+ miles out and behind a mountain and now from 20 feet to 500 yards about 80 of them couldn't hit a bigger target that for the majority of the attack, was not coming from the clouds and from in front of the sun. Also they shouldn't have been caught off guard considering the dragon is the reason they had scorpions and were position there. For me it's more about the stupidity of the scene last week and less about them not hitting the dragon this week. If we're taking in real terms (scary thing here I know) hitting a moving target with scorpions would be nearly impossible in either circumstance. Any hit would be mostly luck.

Daenerys killing all the women and children has been foreshadowed pretty heavily all season. No one should have been caught off guard by that, assuming they've been paying attention.

I think this goes more to the fact that they "had to" rush her spin into crazy. I get why her character felt the need to do it with her losing the support of the majority of "her" army and people for the first time and now realizing and being terrified that she'd lose it all if she didn't instill fear since Jon had sucked up everyone's love. That being said, I do think they overkilled it with her torching the entire city but they did it to be more overdramatic so I get that too - they need to make it easier for Jon and the others to turn on her and clear she's full "crazy" now.

IMO would have been a happy medium if she torched a bunch while slowly getting to the red keep then took the whole thing out. Everyone from the start was terrified of her and the dragon and foreign armies already and torching 10% of the population and having everyone watch her crumble the red keep (which everyone goes to point out had never fallen) would have been an omnipotent show by itself. <--- understand this is a nitpick but just trying to find a happy medium between the pro and con views of people.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

I also do think people could be caught off guard because while she burned plenty of people before they were always her clear adversaries and usually military opponents. Here the people of KL don't know anything about her or Jon and have no reason to follow Jon over her anyway - Jon either being a Targ himself or assuming they didn't know, the bastard son of a traitor who opened up the wall to wildlings for the first time ever for no reason (none of them would believe in wargs and wights and giants etc), who took up arms with the traitor Stannis and a non-7 religion with Milisandra (sp?), and who now took up arms with this crazy dragon lady. For all those reasons it seemed far fetched the Dany would or would need to burn them all to have them afraid of her enough to follow or get rid of the threat they go for Jon.

 

[Jeff]

Dani, queen of slaves and the poor, goes crazy and now likes roasting as many of them alive as possible. It would be reasonable to just toast the entire army, but to wipe out the common folk along with the entire city makes no sense.

Yeah, perhaps may have been better for her to take out the wall garrisons, then go straight to pummeling the castle. Leave the rest of the city and not make s’mores out of the common folk. However, that would’ve totally burned the plot about the tension between her and everyone else.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

Yeah, perhaps may have been better for her to take out the wall garrisons, then go straight to pummeling the castle. Leave the rest of the city and not make s’mores out of the common folk. However, that would’ve totally burned the plot about the tension between her and everyone else.

For arguments sake, I guess the few thousand people in the red keep area would have also died under the rubble but clearly the show didn't want characters (her / Jon) to be wishy washy about what she did. You either think she had to to rule or you now think she has to die.

 

[Anthony Martino]

 

[saleen121212]

The last season should have been called "Identity Crisis" because it seems the writers forgot who every character was.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

Come on guys we have a support group for these thoughts now!

 

[ekricket]

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That is the funniest shit ever

 

[Taghkanic]

You know, after some reflection I have to agree with the people who think that the producers, directors and writers of GOT are infallible humans. They got everything absolutely correct and it is totally ridiculous to think they could make any mistakes.

 

[Anthony Martino]

 

[Anthony Martino]

Lol at dragon fire just knocking down stone castle walls like it's made of sawdust, what an absolute joke

I guess the only hope now is for Dany to actually win as the mad queen and usher in a new reign of terror

Having the good guys kill her is just too painfully contrived and obvious at this point

Didn't the mad king go mad because the three eyed raven was all whispering at him and shit? Maybe they'll pull something off that is brilliant with bran being part of this

But who are we kidding? They'll fuck it all up

 

[Anthony Martino]

Also, when the pirate shows up to confront Jaimie my wife and I both shouted REALLY?! In annoyed unison

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

https://www.salon.com/2019/05/13/ga...-her-kings-landing-turn-was-very-much-earned/

 

[BonScot]

Anyone complaining about that episode has a screw loose.

I must be missing the entire toolbox then... What used to be clever interweaving methodical storytelling is now just a mad jumbled rush to reach the ending. They’ve undone years of great plots and character arcs in one fell swoop.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Lol at dragon fire just knocking down stone castle walls like it's made of sawdust, what an absolute joke

I guess the only hope now is for Dany to actually win as the mad queen and usher in a new reign of terror

Having the good guys kill her is just too painfully contrived and obvious at this point

Didn't the mad king go mad because the three eyed raven was all whispering at him and shit? Maybe they'll pull something off that is brilliant with bran being part of this

But who are we kidding? They'll fuck it all up

Why should it be so hard to believe dragon fire is capable of knocking down stone castle walls? Dragon fire tore through THE WALL (protected by magic even) like a hot knife through butter.

 

[BonScot]

Also, when the pirate shows up to confront Jaimie my wife and I both shouted REALLY?! In annoyed unison

It was at this point that Euron revealed to Jamie that he had been fitted with an ankle tag and that’s how he found him...

 

[Anthony Martino]

Why should it be so hard to believe dragon fire is capable of knocking down stone castle walls? Dragon fire tore through THE WALL (protected by magic even) like a hot knife through butter.

I'm glad you asked:

1. THE Wall is made of solid ice, not stone, for one. https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/The_Wall And "for two", that was an undead dragon, which had a different sort of fire that the books haven't really tackled yet. But like the showrunners have continually done, they took significant liberties to just push through the wall rather than having the horn mentioned in the books come into play


2. In the history of Harrenhall, we learn that the stone cracked and melted from the dragon fire, it didn't just erupt in a Michael Bay-esque explosion meant only to serve a cinematic purpose https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Burning_of_Harrenhal

The showrunners have perverted just about everything that made this show great. Jaimie Lannister went from a cocky villain to a reformed man who found honor and chose a different path. Then we're to just accept at the last second the sister he abandoned he suddenly wishes to return to and he just decides he's going to throw away the entire redemption arc that has spanned multiple seasons to do so. Gimme a break, that is absolutely piss-poor writing and a slap in the face for GOT fans who actually paid attention to character development

Dany going mad-queen I get, although the speed at which she descends into madness was way too fast to make much sense. She goes from a champion of freeing the oppressed to becoming an out-of-control psychopath.

Tyrion Lannister, the voice of reason and logic just decides he's going to have faith in this blatantly changing and darker Dany and turn in Varys (not to mention how the hell did Dany even find out before Tyrion spilled?)

The Hound suddenly forgets he's afraid of fire as the dragon lays it down above him and the city burns all around him?

The Lanister soldiers are like stormtroopers in this battle while everyone in Dany's army is like a jedi, mowing down 8 of them at a time and that's supposed to be believable? I think the Lannister soldiers killed under a handful of their attackers while they were all just slaughtered like fish in a barrel, putting up barely any resistance.

Dany carpet bombing an entire fleet and city prepared with Scorpions to fend off her one dragon (suddenly the massive fleet seems to only have one scorpion on it, on the lead ship, and no one else is firing, and the magical aim they had in their ambush in the previous episode has disappeared and they can't hit squat now) completely flies in the face of what they wanted us to believe in the previous episode the Scorpions were capable of. They went from overpowered to completely useless (and massively unused) just for the sheer cinematic spectacle of it.

The whole series has devolved into a mindless foray into showcasing what the showrunners believe to be "cool" moments, and has thrown out any semblance of maintaining continuity with the characters and storylines that have brought us to this point. It's like they threw the entire history of the show in the trash and said "nah, forget everything you watched previously, we're just going to do it this way cuz itz kool!"

The Faith Militant in this thread defending this absolute shit-show is maddening

 

[BGinGA]

Next you'll complain that dragons aren't real.

Hey, no spoilers!!

Besides, they aren't dragons.

 

[colter ripton]

Holy fuck just watched episode 5.

Absolutely awsome episode

 

[Anthony Martino]

Oh yeah, and where the fuck did she get all those Dothraki? They all fucking died at Winterfell for chrissakes. Furthermore, why the fuck are they yelping like Indians?! I don't recall them having done that at all in previous episodes.

 

[colter ripton]

Oh yeah, and where the fuck did she get all those Dothraki? They all fucking died at Winterfell for chrissakes. Furthermore, why the fuck are they yelping like Indians?! I don't recall them having done that at all in previous episodes.

They did always do that. That's why they call them dothraki screamers.

They should all be dead though for sure. Lol still really liked that episode.

 

[Anthony Martino]

They did always do that. That's why they call them dothraki screamers.

I stand corrected!

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

Not my sentiment or hope but something I saw and thought was amusing:

 

[detroitdad]

I wanted to like this episode. Visually I thought it was fantastic. They kill the army of the dead in one episode. They capture/destroy kings landing in one episode.

Was the armies actually necessary? she pretty much handled everything with one dragon. This makes me think if she had headed straight there once all three dragons were adults she would have easily conquered cersie?

John going to kill the "mad queen" in the final episode? I would like at least a half of a season of Daenerys running Kings Landing before her demise.

Oh well, at least there is only one more episode before its over.

 

[saleen121212]

Time was the major issue with this season. The events that have unfolded so far should have taken multiple seasons. A season for the night king, a season for cersei vs danny (eventually going mad and taking out the city at the end) then an entire wrap up season.

 

[gopherblue]

My prediction: Arya kills Dany, defending Jon. Jon becomes king, marries Sansa.

 

[saleen121212]

My prediction: Arya kills Dany, defending Jon. Jon becomes king, marries Sansa.

LOLOLOL