Got my Majestics and Pharaohs from Apache (2 Viewers)

[RainmanTrail]

There are some verrrrry talented designers in this community who you can commission to help with your design

Cool, I'll check it out. Thanks

 

[BPTDirector]

Funny thing - I am also in the Data science / predictive analysis business. I think you will find many IT people and mathematicians around here.

Welcome aboard, there is a multitude of mining opportunities on this site.

 

[Gear]

predictive analysis

I knew you were gonna say that.

 

[moojersey]

Since you guys are talking china clay quality. I have a batch (2 racks) of Pharaohs 5cent denom that are noticeably thinner and are crumbling / chipping away whenever they are handled. I might just toss them.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Since you guys are talking china clay quality. I have a batch (2 racks) of Pharaohs 5cent denom that are noticeably thinner and are crumbling / chipping away whenever they are handled. I might just toss them.

I read that the 5c and 5000 denoms were later additions to the Pharaohs. Also, my 5000s are considerably thicker than all other denoms. I can only fit 19 in a rack.

Curious about your storage of these chips. Are they indoors/room temp, or in a garage? Wondering what might cause the crumbling issues. And it's only on the 5c chips? Not the others?

 

[RainmanTrail]

I knew you were gonna say that.

I wasn't going to correct him

 

[BGinGA]

I read that the 5c and 5000 denoms were later additions to the Pharaohs.

Dunno where you read that, but it's not true. All nine denominations were part of the initial Pharaoh's Club china clay project, and were produced at the same time. There have been multiple re-orders.

Perhaps you were misinformed or the information was misconstrued, since those two denominations (5c and $5000) were never part of the original Paulson Pharaoh's Club chip line, which contained only seven denominations.

my 5000s are considerably thicker than all other denoms. I can only fit 19 in a rack.

This is a known and well-documented issue with nearly every China Clay chip made, especially with chips made after the first production run (supposedly due to manufacturing tolerances not being kept with subsequent use of the worn equipment).

Curious about your storage of these chips. Are they indoors/room temp, or in a garage? Wondering what might cause the crumbling issues. And it's only on the 5c chips? Not the others?

This is also a known issue with several china clay chip lines, but particularly well-documented with some of the Pharaoh's Club denominations (I know that some of the $1 chips were affected, along with several others). This is the first I've heard of it occurring with the 5c chips, but the revelation certainly doesn't surprise me given the history. The cause has never been determined.

 

[moojersey]

I bought a tourney set from Apache about a year ago and it is perfect. I love them and no issues. 100, 500, 1000, 5000

I bought my cash set .05, .25, 1, 5 second hand from a guy on chip talk. He didn't disclose the issues with the nickels and pretty much hosed me because in their condition there can be no way you could miss it. Material look and feel is noticeably different on the nickels. Could be a different run. The slightest banging and they chip away leaving beige fragments everywhere. Sucks but you get what you pay for I suppose.

 

[10centguitar]

Its a design flaw, and I don't think the OP's expectations were too high.

Here is why:

The chips are relatively inexpensive for what they are claiming to be and cheaply made. (I say this with the utmost respect btw).

However, the tolerances that the designer of the chips used for the label size and recess were too restrictive for the manufactures'
abilities. Therefore the end product is not what MOST people are expecting.

It does not matter if a few chip nerds know they are not going to be perfect, and expect this.
The designer is selling them on their website mostly to the layperson, claiming they are 'the staff choice as the best chip we sell'.

All that needs to happen for this problem to seldom arise (if at all), is for the designer to make the recess on the chip larger and/or the label a hair smaller.


The application of the label in factory would be much more accurate (bigger target). Any chips that have a standard deviation or so away from average label application would not present the problem the OP is finding.

No one would have anything to complain about besides a few nit-pickers wishing the label fit exactly in the recess without any wiggle room.

Also, i am sure those folks in China making these would appreciate it too.

 

[10centguitar]

So now, before anyone gets butt hurt lol,

I really like these chips and think the designer did an outstanding job. (even though I wish the edge-spots were different for each denom.)

But...This does not mean that R&D cannot be conducted for future projects.

Labels are sticking out over the recess, and people are complaining.

The designer should try to come up with a more effective design for their next chip.

I believe the chips are still worth what the designer is selling them for at this time.

BUT....

I feel it is in the designer's best interest to make their product better next go around, and this is an issue worthy of their attention.

 

[stocky]

So nowAnd before anyone gets butt hurt, I really like these chips and think the designer did an outstanding job. This does not mean that R&D cannot be conducted for future projects. If even 10% of the chips I designed were coming out of China with labels not exactly in the recess I would push to fix it on future orders.

I believe the chips are still worth what the designer is selling them for. It is fair, however, to make things better next go around....fix this issue. It is not a difficult fix.

Should mention the designer is not selling these. Apache is. While both worked on the design it should be mentioned that J5 is not Apache.

 

[10centguitar]

Should mention the designer is not selling these. Apache is. While both worked on the design it should be mentioned that J5 is not Apache.

Ahh, thank you for this. I was not aware.
I was just pricing them on Apache's site and thought I should read some reviews on here first and came across the OP's post.

It really does not change the fact that the chip being sold has this issue.

Maybe the majority of people buying these chips feel the OP's issue should not warrant their (J5 and apache's) attention, but I can say that this discussion has definitely swayed my decision from this chip to another.

They are only $0.36 a piece, but we live in times where one coke bottle does not look any different from another. We as a society have come to expect cheap things made in factories to be indistinguishable from one another.

 

[RainmanTrail]

I should reiterate that they'd be great for a relabeling project. They really are nice chips otherwise.

 

[KingZilla]

Reading this thread, I guess I am super lucky when it comes to these type chips. I no longer own ANY China Clays. If I had thought about it, I'd have kept my Dunes China Clays, the BEST China Clays I've ever owned. I say I must have been lucky because NOT ONE of my China Clays had this issue. I've had sets of: Pyramids Casino, PGI Private Cardroom (great wall), Pharaoh's Club, DUNES, and Milanos. Of all those chips, I *guess* I was wildly lucky to have no issues. To say you pay more for Paulson because of the name is not accurate.. I M O. I've taken my Majestic samples and was able to break them with my fingers rather easily. I have never been able do that to a Paulson, BCC, TRK, or ASM chip. So BG's comment that you "get what you pay for" is applicable. However, I still say poor quality control is poor quality control, even on a cheaper product. Keep in mind I am saying this from my previous experience having China Clays with none of the issues described here, which was somewhat surprising to me.

Edit: I read that these chips cost less than 10¢ to make.. the only problem is, that's not how cheap you can buy them. For 10¢, I guess I'd expect much less.

 

[mummel]

What was the end result here? Did you get it sorted out?

 

[RainmanTrail]

What was the end result here? Did you get it sorted out?

Not sure which issue you're asking about being sorted out, but Apache allowed me to return my Majestics and issued me a full refund. I kept the Pharaohs. Although I'll probably be selling those soon. I do like them, but I just don't have a need for them now that I placed my CPC order.

 

[Screw]

Agreed. And the fact is, forums like these do (and have) addressed the quality issues affecting china clay chips, many times over.

I've made a few orders from Apahce (not for a few years mind you). But they always took care of any issues I had