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Has anyone bought "Dia De Los Muertos" from Anita (Shengzhou Kaile Recreation)? (1 Viewer)
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The patent should not have been issued, part of the process is to self correct. The market is so small that it won’t see that part of the process.
The design is as common as tissue paper, bleach, hook and loop etc.. but the actual market is so small you won’t see it.
Sure, BRPro is a business that creates unique designs and offers them to purchase and will customize them for you, as part of their business model.
Most of the Tina group buys are for chips from old casinos, who's business model is games of chance, or entertainment.
Also most of the people commissioning Tina are not posting about stealing IP from active small businesses and if its okay
i can get with looking out for small business, but to pick and choose what art gets to be replicated or duplicated and say this is right and that is wrong is hypocritical.
for the record i dont have a problem with either because i see them the same still. one one hand, id still recommend anyone trying to choose between the two to go with BRPro even though I don't like the feel of the their chips because I can tell just from the pictures the knockoffs colors arent as saturated. And on the other I pirated video games, movies and music all throughout the 90's and 00's so im not here to karen on licensing or copyrights. the customization and group buys are amazing. just saying i dont see the difference.
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Eh, I have a pretty dismissive view of copyright on the whole, but I don't think it's weird to pick and choose where you care about ownership. It's only hypocritical if your principle is that property rights are inviolable regardless of who holds them or what they're used for. If you care about the potential for harm and/or the individual/entity who might be harmed more than you care about legal standing I could see being against ripping off BRPros designs but having no issue with someone slapping, say, the McDonald's logo on their poker chips.
Not trying to start a politics digression (made the unfortunate mistake of checking out that sub forum at one point), just saying ones views around replicating designs might be driven by non-legal concerns which isn't automatically hypocritical (although people can definitely be hypocritical about it anyway).
I haven't picked or chosen any of it, you asked for it to be explained, I explained it for your benefit.
Are you accusing me of being hypocritical?
A general statement. Not you specifically. I think the idea is hypocritical. So anyone that adheres to it. That "stealing" from a particular person/entity is more justifiable than stealing from another. Who deems whats acceptable? I chose not to even entertain the "most designs...." part cause its damn near gaslighting. I dont wanna go pull up designs of active casinos from those buys or designs inspired by movies/shows/music cause the designers would probably take it the wrong way and feel like im criticizing their creative work when i actually admire it. But if you asked the original creators of those logos/characters/etc if they want a cut of the profits coming from the buys do you think they'd refuse? They would most likely say hell yes, charge more, or straight up say no and send a cease and desist.
Colquhoun
4 of a Kind
I wish logo designers were paid royaties!
It's always a flat fee and then hand over the design rights.
Not always. @rjdev7 gets $.12 for every Super Poker World chip sold.I wish logo designers were paid royaties!
It's always a flat fee and then hand over the design rights.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Regular Bill Gates he is
I concur stealing from anyone is wrong, especially after posting that the business offers a process for your revisions, but you still feel compelled to take the work to a secondary vendor, and then post about it here and defend your position, and again after acknowledging the thief. I feel like that is worthy of 'gaslighting'
but ...
I'm not sure Jean Valjean would agree with you.
Colquhoun
4 of a Kind
That's just a deal made for a design here on PCF. The design business of branding and logo design does not work at all like that.
royalties would be from IPs like mario and turtles. by logos i meant like the ones attached to entities like live (or dead) casinos. someone owns the rights to those names and themes.I wish logo designers were paid royaties!
It's always a flat fee and then hand over the design rights.
anyway, i read the inital responses on the first page as "we have friends at BRpoker so dont mess with their money"...which is fine.
LeLe
4 of a Kind
All this from just page 1.
ABC/BRPro is an absolute class act. A 1500 chip set of semi-customs I have from them is one of my absolute favorites.
Their designs should not be pilfered/stolen/hijacked/ripped. Instead, order direct from them.
Friendship nor admiration are required for right or wrong, but you seem triggered by the defense of the morality that you pointed out. Who's being hypocritical now?
Nope, just curious if that was the case...I got my answer
I've decided to follow this advice, even if it was not directed to me. I was not able to get a hold of Anita Wang, but I did started conversations with Carmen Chan from Shengzhou Kaile Recreation Co., Ltd.
I first asked about the DDLM chips, and it is not only indeed possible to get the "variant" they offer, but also customize (denominations, symbols, etc.) it.
[Personally, if I end up deciding that's the design I want to have, I'd buy my set from BR Pro; but I am still waiting for some other samples to arrive, before I make up my mind.]
Second, she was quick to point out that I could indeed submit my own design instead…
And the service they offer is very convenient.
So I am now in the process of designing my own chips (which means, before we get into any misunderstandings, something completely different from everything I've ever seen, and nothing to do with Muertos nor Catrinas). The idea is that after I submit it, their designer would send back a JPG of how the chips would look before printing. (If I find them to be more appealing than the other options I am reviewing, I might as well go with my own thing.)
The moral of the story: It is not only sound advise, it seems to be easy and straightforward, to actually go with your own design (maybe I'm missing something at this point? We'll see...)
BonScot
Straight Flush
Maybe she should set up a Tinder account
Maybe she should set up a Tinder account
Yeah, where she can meet Sum Dum Fuk
My first ceramic chips design:
First samples are a reality now. Corrections are needed, but this is very close to final version. (White, Yellow, Red, Blue, Gray, and Purple are finished.)
(I know these are way too "busy" for most people, but I was not trying to satisfy any other taste but my own.)
demonnic
3 of a Kind
Those look pretty awesome. Are you actually gonna use a $2, $10, or $50 chip though? And both a $20 and $25? I can understand wanting to keep all the cool pictures and such like, but too many denominations on the table at once makes it harder to count stacks and pots. Could consider perhaps doing one cash and one tournament layout? Then you could keep all the cool art without necessarily buying a bunch of chips you may not wind up using much if ever.
All that said, it's your own tastes you're catering to, just food for thought.
All that said, it's your own tastes you're catering to, just food for thought.
Thank you very much for your comment.
I agree with you. I didn't explain much, so all your observations and advice make sense.
No, I am not actually going to use all denominations simultaneously.
I avoided the "$" on purpose, because I mainly use chips for board games. Different games benefit from different denominations; the idea is to be able to customize "the bank" for each particular game.
Also, if any of my acquaintances get interested in acquiring their own set, the idea is to allow for customization: Any of the illustrations can be used with any of the background/colours. Denominations are fully customizable and any currency symbol can be added, if desired.
demonnic
3 of a Kind
Aha! Board game usage makes it all come together for sure. I think I like it even more in that case, as 'a bit busy and distracting for poker' is the sweet spot for "look at these awesome board game tokens I got!" hehe.Thank you very much for your comment.
I agree with you. I didn't explain much, so all your observations and advice make sense.
No, I am not actually going to use all denominations simultaneously.
I avoided the "$" on purpose, because I mainly use chips for board games. Different games benefit from different denominations; the idea is to be able to customize "the bank" for each particular game.
Also, if any of my acquaintances get interested in acquiring their own set, the idea is to allow for customization: Any of the illustrations can be used with any of the background/colours. Denominations are fully customizable and any currency symbol can be added, if desired.
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