Help Me Design the Best Dice Chips Money Can Buy (2 Viewers)

[Steamtrain]

We are mocking these up on the CPC software but this will be a ceramic set,
are you looking at actual CPC sample chip colors or just looking at the colors on the CPC software tool?
What colors should we be using?

 

[jbutler]

We are mocking these up on the CPC software but this will be a ceramic set,
are you looking at actual CPC sample chip colors or just looking at the colors on the CPC software tool?

It will be a Game On set. I have the Game On color wheel somewhere but these mock ups are really just general guides for the ultimate design before converting them to Game On colors.

 

[Steamtrain]

Just changed the $100
And of course the mold, as suggested by BG for this set.

 

[jbutler]

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Just changed the $100
And of course the mold, as suggested by BG for this set.

I think we've gotten away from the dice-like tendencies at this point, thankfully. The only questionable aspect of the design that stands currently is that we're, to some degree, attempting to replicate the look of clay edgespots on a ceramic chip which, though common, is inadvisable from a design perspective imo.

 

[Steamtrain]

Changed the $5 also.

I have a sample set of the ceramics "RICK'S CAFÉ AMÉRICAN" with edge spots, they are not completely terrible.

Without the whites and changed the mold

 

[courage]

I don't think there's going to be a faux mold or any edge spots over 1/4".

 

[jbutler]

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Changed the $5 also.

I have a sample set of the ceramics "RICK'S CAFÉ AMÉRICAN" with edge spots, they are not completely terrible.

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Without the whites and changed the mold

Thanks for the suggestions, but @courage is right - there will be no faux mold. And I'm not completely closed to new options, but at this point I'm pretty set on choosing between the two options I posted above.

 

[jbutler]

@dew4au here's the design thread for the chips I'm going to attempt to coerce my local game into buying. Despite the faux pas in the table design, the table is pretty sweet and it's insane that we're playing with garbage chips that are literally disintegrating on the table.

Got some irons in the fire with a designer, so when I have something worth posting I'll throw it in the thread here.

 

[dew4au]

@dew4au here's the design thread for the chips I'm going to attempt to coerce my local game into buying. Despite the faux pas in the table design, the table is pretty sweet and it's insane that we're playing with garbage chips that are literally disintegrating on the table.

Got some irons in the fire with a designer, so when I have something worth posting I'll throw it in the thread here.

Ahh, a noble effort to be sure. I went down a similar path with my group. I ended up getting a setc of ASM solids for the group. I bankrolled about half the cost, but it help my sanity immensely. This group also refused to use any of my sets because they only wanted to play with their own jank-ass color scheme.

At the end of it all, everyone admitted they were better chips, but only a few appreciated them. The biggest change for me was the calming mental effect it had on me while sitting at the table. Less chip rage induced tilt is a good thing.

Hopefully you can at least pitch the game security aspect to the group given your stakes.

 

[jbutler]

So after some delays - all mine - it looks like these are more or less finished.

Big thanks to @Quicksilver-75 who was always super responsive and helpful and obviously more than capable. He had some design constraints within which he had to work based on the tastes of the guys who run the room (see previous thread discussion), but ultimately these came out even better than I'd hoped. Also thanks to @abby99 and @courage who offered thoughts and recommendations along the way.

As some of you might remember, I moved, so this is no longer my regular game, but I'm going to give the guys the design as a parting gift. I'll be in NJ for a week at Christmas, so I'll show it to them then and let them know I can help them place the order when the time comes. Hopefully it does come! They need a chip upgrade baaaaaaad.

 

[upNdown]

Ahh, a noble effort to be sure. I went down a similar path with my group. I ended up getting a setc of ASM solids for the group. I bankrolled about half the cost, but it help my sanity immensely. This group also refused to use any of my sets because they only wanted to play with their own jank-ass color scheme.

At the end of it all, everyone admitted they were better chips, but only a few appreciated them. The biggest change for me was the calming mental effect it had on me while sitting at the table. Less chip rage induced tilt is a good thing.

Hopefully you can at least pitch the game security aspect to the group given your stakes.

Cheap chip rage is real.

 

[courage]

So after some delays - all mine - it looks like these are more or less finished.

Big thanks to @Quicksilver-75 who was always super responsive and helpful and obviously more than capable. He had some design constraints within which he had to work based on the tastes of the guys who run the room (see previous thread discussion), but ultimately these came out even better than I'd hoped. Also thanks to @abby99 and @courage who offered thoughts and recommendations along the way.

As some of you might remember, I moved, so this is no longer my regular game, but I'm going to give the guys the design as a parting gift. I'll be in NJ for a week at Christmas, so I'll show it to them then and let them know I can help them place the order when the time comes. Hopefully it does come! They need a chip upgrade baaaaaaad.

Very nice! Hope they follow through, Jack!

 

[Phantom]

Nice work. well done again @Quicksilver-75 . Hope they like them mate.

 

[jbutler]

Happy to report that the design was a massive hit and that they will "definitely" be ordering a 3,000-chip set sometime toward the end of the first quarter of 2017.

Thanks again to @Quicksilver-75 for the design. They remarked on how professional the design was compared to the design services that came "free" with their purchase of a custom table.

Also it was great that I was able to use the Borgata high denom tourney chips as examples of the chips (Borgata switched to Game On for tourney denoms 500 and higher after the great chip flushing fiasco), so it was easy for them to understand they'll be getting professional grade chips.

 

[upNdown]

I never saw that final design. The rope around the inlay is pissa.

 

[chipjoker]

Very nice

 

[Quicksilver-75]

Great news! I'll have to resend you the files. I just recently discovered GOCC doesn't like "rich" black. They instead want all blacks to be k values only. Sorry about that, Jack.

 

[Gear]

They can't fix that themselves?

Well, I guess they probably can, but don't want the liability in case the color comes out darker or lighter than the customer wanted. Not unreasonable.

 

[jbutler]

Great news! I'll have to resend you the files. I just recently discovered GOCC doesn't like "rich" black. They instead want all blacks to be k values only. Sorry about that, Jack.

No worries - looks like we're at least a couple months out from the ordering, so I'll take them whenever they're ready. I'll be doing the ordering for the guys, too, so I'll make sure it's all squared away with GOCC.

 

[jbutler]

Just ordered prototypes of the $5 so we can be guaranteed that at minimum 10 chips will be made with the design (y) :thumbsup:

 

[jbutler]

Test run of $5. Looking pretty pretty pretty good.

EDIT: Yikes bad photo. Snapped a super quick one when I stopped by the house. Better shot:

 

[jbutler]

Little update. Unfortunately not yet an update that they'll putting in an order, but I've had the 10 Game On samples at my desk for just under a month and I've shuffled them for at least a few hours a day in that time and thought someone might be interested in seeing what kind of wear Game On chips show after more than 72 hours of continuous shuffling.

The most apparent effects are the color transfer of the red ring onto the white center and the white ring developing along the perimeter of the chip (where Chipco used to require designers to build in a white ring, presumably to minimize the evidence of wear). The color transfer is a bit more noticeable in person than in the photo.

 

[CraigT78]

Little update. Unfortunately not yet an update that they'll putting in an order, but I've had the 10 Game On samples at my desk for just under a month and I've shuffled them for at least a few hours a day in that time and thought someone might be interested in seeing what kind of wear Game On chips show after more than 72 hours of continuous shuffling.

The most apparent effects are the color transfer of the red ring onto the white center and the white ring developing along the perimeter of the chip (where Chipco used to require designers to build in a white ring, presumably to minimize the evidence of wear). The color transfer is a bit more noticeable in person than in the photo.

I think it's worth mentioning that the prototype chips and the production chips are not the same. I had several prototypes made of my windy crest tourney set and the production chips were much better quality than the prototypes. The print was sharper, little to no bleed. I'm no chip expert but as a novice even I noticed the differences. My cash set has a white center and I've not noticed any transfer with probably 8 months of play. Could it be possible the print process differed between prototype and production?

 

[Quicksilver-75]

I'm curious if the red ink deposited to the center wipes off..

 

[jbutler]

I think it's worth mentioning that the prototype chips and the production chips are not the same. I had several prototypes made of my windy crest tourney set and the production chips were much better quality than the prototypes. The print was sharper, little to no bleed. I'm no chip expert but as a novice even I noticed the differences. My cash set has a white center and I've not noticed any transfer with probably 8 months of play. Could it be possible the print process differed between prototype and production?

Oh - very helpful and glad to hear. Thanks!

I'm curious if the red ink deposited to the center wipes off..

Not with water and elbow grease alone, but hopefully that's one of the things that are unique to the prototypes.

To be clear, the quality still looks great to me. I would have no reservations whatsoever about ordering chips assuming they'd be produced identical to these prototypes.