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Home game chips: Why denominate at all? (5 Viewers)
- Thread starter Taghkanic
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Smarties stack nicely
But then you get hungry, and before you know it, you've eaten $450 of your cash stack....
Nice and chalky, with sharp edges!
I wonder if you can buy these in bulk, by colors, similar to M&M's.Just need a larger version. Gotta be one, besides those awful chalky discs of my youth.....
Look, mom, no denominations!
your Smartie supplier is ripping you off, PCF has warped your ability to properly price small round discsBut then you get hungry, and before you know it, you've eaten $450 of your cash stack....
Not at all, my perceptions are crystal clear. Say you're using Smarties for your cash game
Yellow/Orange = $0.25
Brown/Purple = $1
Red/Pink = $5
Green/Blue = $25
and either you or some wandering 6-year old comes by and grabs a handful of red/pink/green/blue and eats them, you'd be out $250 after every pass, easy.
LinkyBabe
Flush
"Enough of this playing for peanuts. Tomorrow night we play for real stakes... zucchini." - Tripper
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DerberAlter
Flush
@OP
- OCD
- I'm a kind of a perfectionist, so I need to have denominations on my chips
- Everything should be self explaining, so for new players it's easy to understand the value of the chips
- I personally don't like NCV chips
Rudy the rabbit
so your drunk buddies don't keep asking , "how much is this chip?"
OP
OP
If you are hosting a big public charity tournament with 5+ tables, attracting lots of very recreational players, I could see the importance of labeling, because you’re dealing with a ton of amateurs and newbies.
Even then, the main way to understand the chip scheme, if you can’t be bothered to just take note of them at the start of a game, is to watch the other players. Someone throws in two red chips in a tourney and says raise to 1,000? The red chip is worth 500. Duh. One orbit of this and you should have it down.
Realistically, how often in your home game do you have new players? In mine, it’s like maybe 4-5 times a year? How many people who collect and use high quality chips have this problem?
If I play chess, I don’t complain that there are no labels identifying the chess pieces.
OP
OP
It works because in a chess game, there are 6 different types of pieces. In most tournaments, there are rarely more than 4-6 colors in play at a time. In most cash games, there are effectively only 2-4 colors in active use. (I know one host of a private game — cycle of 1/2 and PLO — who only owns $1 and $5 chips. Lots of them.)
I find it interesting that people are so attached to denominations that they make it sound difficult to remember 2-6 colors. It’s like playing tennis with a rule book in your back pocket that you have to refer to every point.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
It's not chess.
It's not toast... or bagels.
It's not doughnuts or crullers.
If I'm starving and you offer me toast when I prefer bagels, I'll take it without complaints. But If I have a choice and I order a bagel, but the waiter brings me toast I will be disappointed. If a deli only has toast, and the deli next door has bagels, I'm going next door for my lox.
OP
OP
In breaking news, Major League Baseball announced that from now on, all bats must have the words “3 strikes and you’re out, 4 balls is a walk” woodburned into the handle to avoid confusion.
OP
OP
Also lost in the threadjacks: There’s the buying/selling aspect to consider.
If I’m looking for a specific color THC chip for my tourney or cash game, or to add a new denomination, it is often the case that all I can find is one with a different value already printed on it.
Sometimes these are cash denoms (with a dollar sign), and sometimes tournament (without), and usually do not work with my existing scheme. Ditto when selling.
This makes the hunt for usable chips more difficult, and basically means either sticking with standard colors/denoms, or milling/relabeling.
So, the only good argument I can think of for denoms is that it makes more work for @Gear. Which is something.
If I’m looking for a specific color THC chip for my tourney or cash game, or to add a new denomination, it is often the case that all I can find is one with a different value already printed on it.
Sometimes these are cash denoms (with a dollar sign), and sometimes tournament (without), and usually do not work with my existing scheme. Ditto when selling.
This makes the hunt for usable chips more difficult, and basically means either sticking with standard colors/denoms, or milling/relabeling.
So, the only good argument I can think of for denoms is that it makes more work for @Gear. Which is something.
Lol, give it up. Your original question, “why have denoms at all” has been asked and answered. Flip the question around on yourself, how is a game objectively improved w/ non-demo chips? Short answer, it isn’t. Denoms add objective utility to a chip, in providing an additional way to identify their value. There are objective reasons to forego that utility (wanting to use the same chip for multiple denoms in different games), as well as subjective ones (you prefer non-denoms aesthetically), but your straw man arguments are tiresome.
^This lol soooo much this
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
So it's easier and it's cheaper.
Congratulations. Until now I never knew why so many dice chips were sold.
ChipEnvy
Full House
This sounds two groups of devout believers of different religions trying to convince each other who's God is better. Except this thread is funnier, and hopefully won't end in a war.
Chip and let chip.
Chip and let chip.
Perhaps Gear has a lot of work because a lot of chippers see the benefit of having custom, denominated labels?
DerberAlter
Flush
almost 61 different players in 39 games in the last 5 months. I track everything
but regardless the facts, I don‘t appreciate your aggression
OP
OP
Answered badly, with a couple exceptions. The “answers” mostly boil down to “I like it that way so my preference is better” and “it saves confusion among really bad players.”
The true underlying answer is “My chips have denominations so I don’t want to admit that it’s unnecessary except for total no0bs.”
I can’t help that you skimmed the discussion, or just have bad reading comprehension. Multiple ways non-denoms improve things have been mentioned, including but not limited to two main ones:
1) It cleans up the design of chips by not cluttering the face with information which is either well-known to competent players after a few hands, or can be conveyed otherwise (e.g. with a card or chart).
2) Non-denoms makes the use of chips more flexible, both within your own game, and when buying/selling. The existence and popularity of THC Starbursts is testament in part to this.
I would note that many denominated labels/inlays have the chip value printed in a relatively small font size. If denomination is so essential to prevent confusion, shouldn’t the number be huge? This brings out the emptiness of many of the pro-denom arguments.
If this were actually about usability, then you’d want the number to be the biggest type on a chip. Yet often it is the smallest.
OP
OP
Now that’s just silly. People overwhelmingly use custom labels (a) to put their own house brand on chips, or (b) to unify mixed sets. Denominations are incidental.
OP
OP
How many chip collectors on this site are hosting that many games, with that large a cast of characters? Like I said, it might make sense if you have a lot of different players of a wide variety of skills, in a game that is open to most anyone. I can see why denoms might help in your particular case.
But most of us, from what I read on this site, are hosting games with 1-2 tables and a cast of regulars. Just take a look at the Home Game pics threads.
Even in the somewhat larger non-casino tourneys I attend which have 3-7 tables (mainly in VFW/American Legion halls, fish-and-game clubs, or firehouses), if you go even a couple times you will recognize pretty much everyone by the third visit. These games are populated largely by regs and it is rare to encounter a total newbie. FWIW, these games almost always use (cheap) undenominated chips, just because that is what you can find at Target or Wal-Mart. And it isn't a problem.
Your the one who said “the only good argument I can think of for denoms is that it makes more work for @Gear” after many people presented their very good reasons for having denoms on chips. Your preference locked in on this, which is fine, but you keep insinuating that everyone is foolish for wanting denoms, which is not fine. It’s a preference, and everyone can have their preference.
ChipEnvy
Full House
You can't just say something like this and expect people to believe you because you said it. What do you base this claim on other than your own opinion?
You sound like your feelings are hurt because everyone didn't jump on the non-denom bandwagon.
You asked a question and it was answered. You don't agree, that's fine, be happy about it (I wish people didn't love retired casino sets)!
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