How to play when we get there with our flush? (1 Viewer)

[thinkinaboutu]

Let’s say we’re heads up OOP co vs button, we opened 15 Btn called

We have 87d

Flop comes J92 two diamonds

We check, Btn bets 25, we call
Turn 4c, check, he bets 60 we call

River 6d, what do we do?

Basically I feel like if we come out and bet it’s a bit obvious we hit our flush, if we check, he’s prolly just checking back. I guess bet small?

 

[RocAFella1]

Overbet

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Let’s say we’re heads up OOP co vs button, we opened 15 Btn called

We have 87d

Flop comes J92 two diamonds

We check, Btn bets 25, we call
Turn 4c, check, he bets 60 we call

River 6d, what do we do?

Basically I feel like if we come out and bet it’s a bit obvious we hit our flush, if we check, he’s prolly just checking back. I guess bet small?

A good way of deciding what/how/when to bet is targeting something. What do you think he gets here with? He takes the betting lead on flop; we can rule out overpairs, he'd probably raise you, right? Start figuring out what he might have and it becomes clearer what we should bet.

If you're betting small, what do you want to call you? JT? J9? Would he bet like this with a set of deuces or 9s or something? Talk to us, goose.

 

[DrStrange]

Hero skips all the hand until the river. So many river options are constrained by how the rest of the hand was played. A multi-street discussion would have been worthwhile. We also don't know the stakes, the stack sizes or the number of players at the table. No table read. Is blind stealing a significant thing at the table?

As played - - - Let's try to judge is our villain. Is he observant? What sort of style does he play? Lots of questions are hard to even answer without knowing the stakes, stack sizes etc.

Hero's line looks strange. Opened preflop, check called flop and turn, and then on the river (as yet to be determined). I'd say Hero's line is polarized, it looks like a bluff or a monster. Herd to understand why Hero would have given up the betting lead with a flush draw. And why does Hero wake up on the scare card if he doesn't have the flush.

I think the post flop was likely poorly played leading to this river situation. Depending on lots of unknown factors I could make a case for 1) a bluffy over bet or 2) a "blocker" bet hoping to safely extract some value or 3) a check-call line to minimize risk / induce a bluff. No telling which one is better without a fuller understanding of the situation.

 

[WedgeRock]

There is no one way to play this. It really depends on your opponent. A non-thinker may call you down with an over pair. Or, opponent may have flopped a straight draw and isn't putting another cent in the pot now that he missed.

I will say, tho, I've won a lot of pots betting OOP when the third flush card hits the board (even if I don't have the flush).

Here, you don't have a big flush. You should be happy if you're not called by a bigger flush.

Check-call this hand.

 

[Kentucky]

After the double barrel turn Villain is pretty polarized. He should have a good made hand or junk/a good draw. The flushing card arrives and Villain’s Axdd now look pretty good, his Jx less so. I think it’s reasonable to assume that checked to Jx will take showdown and flushes will bet. QTo may also go for the bluff.

Per @DrStrange a probe bet on this nut changing card re-polarizes our range. Size wise, as @NotRealNameNoSir suggests we’re looking to be called by a curious J. You could take this line and fold to a raise or maybe go bigger if you didn’t have the flush but elected to turn another hand into a bluff - make sure even that curious J folded.
If it goes x/x you’re probably best, but what’s the plan if we check and face a pot-sized bet? Is an 8 high flush a bluff catcher at that point?
Might be simpler to put out a 75-100 bet, but maybe I’m too nitty.

 

[4betfold]

Yeah, kinda a classic spot. The river is a bit tricky because our hand is pretty face up if we lead big, but checking risks missing value.
I like a small donk lead here — something like 30-40% pot. It allows villain to call wider with worse hands (maybe some Jx, two pairs, even stubborn overpairs) and gives him room to spaz occasionally. If we check, we risk him checking back a lot of hands that would have called a small bet.
If villain’s aggressive and capable of bluffing missed draws, you could mix in some checks to induce, but vs most, small value bet is probably best.

 

[Legend5555]

I don't know why as the opener we are checking this flop with a combo draw. By not being flop, we are limiting our multi street bluffing opportunities. We have a good candidate to go 3 streets bluffing: a hand with lots of equity but no showdown value.

Villain didn't 3 bet pre, so the best hands he can have are AJ, 22, and sometimes 99 if he doesn't 3 bet that B vs CO. If we just come out and bet half pot or less and he just calls, he is immediately capped to top pair and draws. If he raises, then it's likely top two or a set and we can evaluate sizing and stacks sizes to determine what to do.

As played this is why playing OOP, especially with draws, caps your wins with big hands. You are forced to lead this river. Your hand isn't really strong enough to check raise because you can't get called by worse when you do it. And moreover, almost NOBODY check raise bluffs the river.

If you are going to check this flop, I'd prefer a check raise. You can have 22, 99, JJ, J9, QQ+. Your opponent can't have JJ+. And you can put max pressure on top pair and better draws.