If split, dibs. depending on price. I'm backup dibs" quoth the chipper. (1 Viewer)

I don't see dibs as a step below "I'll take them".
I see it as 100% "I'll take them".
It's that discrepancy that drives sellers nuts. You're either calling it that you want them with the conditions listed, or you shouldn't be calling.

I will agree with you that "dibs, based on split price" is bullshit. It means nothing.
I guess you could say "If you decide to split these, I'd like to have first crack at it when I know how much you want." :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

I understand, and appreciate your perspective, and I don't necessarily disagree.

To me - 100% would be as follows;
"Sold". Or, "I'll take 'em".

Why use "dibs" then, instead of just saying "I'll take 'em"? And I say that, as some sellers specifically say to "post dibs".

I drove 350 miles once to look at a car. I told the seller that I'd take it, based on what they'd conveyed and the pics I saw. When I got there - the pics were from 10 years previous, and a lot of the things the seller said were OK - were not OK. Window regulators broken, door bottoms rusted out, one door hinge broken, and so forth. Way I view it (again - my perspective) - is that I dibs'd the car based on the info. Other info came forward, and I negated the deal.

I am in total agreement regarding not feeling favorably towards those that have retracted dibs fairly often. And I'd like to urge everyone to call backup if interested and dibs already spoken (although - calling backup has yet to work out for me).

I am of the opinion that if the assumption going forward is that "dibs" is a binding "I'll take them" - then let's also hold sellers accountable to including all the specifics. Include the price, how much shipping is, where the chips are (US, UK, Canada....), approximate time to ship, and more than a single picture top-down of a rack. Are the faces messed up? Can a 'splash pot' pic not be provided? I sell chips as well once in awhile, and I know how much shipping costs. Don't try to tell me a rack (loose packed) is going to be $20 shipped, that's ridiculous.

Accountability goes both ways, and to imply that "well, if you know these chips you don't need more pictures or information" is beyond stupid. Quite some time back I saw a half barrel of Mapes $1's in a rack (NOT HERE). That was the only pic. Price was a good price, I inquired, and turns out they were cancelled with the saw cut on the edge - but they were rotated down in the rack so you couldn't see they were cancelled. And what was then a $10 chip was actually worth a buck.

There's a LOT of hypocrisy here in the forums, and there's both a cry to bring in new members, and an equal cry that "newbies should know how things work and should stay away if they don't". This is bullshit, when there's nothing concrete. I don't give two shits if member A, B, and C say something should be a certain way, when there's members D, E, and F that don't play by those rules. As I mentioned previously - one of the most egregious selling faux pauxs was from a VERY long time member here, that should have known better - but because "they've been here", it was somewhat minimized. I'm sorry - but a 60-year old asshat is no less an asshat than a 30-year old asshat. In fact - the OLDER asshat that's been here longer should be held to a HIGHER standard because they've been here longer and should know better.

Get some WRITTEN standards that are written by ADMINS, and I'm good. Otherwise - to me, it's a case-by-case basis, with me making notes about those that frequently back out of deals. Othewise we might as well be arguing whether a hotdog is a sandwich, or if pineapple belongs on pizza or not.
 
Why use "dibs" then, instead of just saying "I'll take 'em"? And I say that, as some sellers specifically say to "post dibs".

Tomayto, tomahto. How about not use any word that could be interpreted as an intention to buy. You wanna ask a question about the sale, ask a question about the sale.

I am of the opinion that if the assumption going forward is that "dibs" is a binding "I'll take them" - then let's also hold sellers accountable to including all the specifics.
What’s ”all the specifics”? If you find the information in a sales ad incomplete, you can ask questions, you can buy anyway or you can move on.

I do agree though that if the item(s) for sale turns out to be something other than what’s been advertised or the deal is dependent on some weird non standard handling, backing out is perfectly fine.

Get some WRITTEN standards that are written by ADMINS, and I'm good.
Admins don’t police the classifieds other than the thread crap thing. It’s up to sellers and buyers to figure out the terms.

As I mentioned previously - one of the most egregious selling faux pauxs was from a VERY long time member here, that should have known better - but because "they've been here", it was somewhat minimized. I'm sorry - but a 60-year old asshat is no less an asshat than a 30-year old asshat. In fact - the OLDER asshat that's been here longer should be held to a HIGHER standard because they've been here longer and should know better.
Not sure which sale and member you’re referring to in this case but I fully agree with this.
 
Tomayto, tomahto. How about not use any word that could be interpreted as an intention to buy. You wanna ask a question about the sale, ask a question about the sale.

No. Not at all.

You see, what some of us understand about "dibs" is that it means "first right". I said that previously.

In all the definitions I've seen, nowhere does it say "commitment to buy/take".

IT'S FIRST RIGHT. FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL.

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Example? Eating pizza, someone calls dibs on the last piece. If they decide that they're full, and don't want it - someone else can have it. In no definition that I've seen - does it say that it's an intent. I can't stress this enough - FIRST RIGHT.

Another example of FROR? Real estate. Not uncommon for a FROR for a business/home/etc, and if they decide against it - then it's open for whomever.

FROR is also often used here. "FROR to ChipEater227, he sold me these chips last year....".

So if we're gonna say Tomayto Tomahto - then do it correct. First Right = Dibs.

So. What I've got is MY understanding of what dibs is, which is exactly what other members here understand, and what all the netinters are saying it means - FIRST RIGHT. NOT UNCONDITIONAL COMMITMENT.

And yet - there's some here that are all upset that many of us are going by the definition of the word. And getting all bent outta shape that someone calls 'first right' (aka DIBS), and then retracts later. I mean - what the hell? It's what the freaking definition is.

I will again repeat - if the word "DIBS" is to mean something different than the actual definition - which is First Right - then it needs to be defined by an Admin in writing here.

This is starting to sound like that girl a few years back that got all mad and crying, insisting that her spelling the word "Hampster" was correct, even though it's always spelled "hamster" forever.
 
So. What I've got is MY understanding of what dibs is, which is exactly what a few other members here understand, and what all the netinters are saying it means - FIRST RIGHT. NOT UNCONDITIONAL COMMITMENT.
FYP.

I dare to say most other members here assume commitment when dibs is called in a sales thread. You cannot CLAIM RIGHTS on something on sale WITHOUT committing to buy it. And if you do it (because this is how many people here interpret it), and cause damage to the seller and/or other buyers by reneging on it, you're an asshat.
 
No. Not at all.

You see, what some of us understand about "dibs" is that it means "first right". I said that previously.

In all the definitions I've seen, nowhere does it say "commitment to buy/take".

IT'S FIRST RIGHT. FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL.

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Example? Eating pizza, someone calls dibs on the last piece. If they decide that they're full, and don't want it - someone else can have it. In no definition that I've seen - does it say that it's an intent. I can't stress this enough - FIRST RIGHT.

Another example of FROR? Real estate. Not uncommon for a FROR for a business/home/etc, and if they decide against it - then it's open for whomever.

FROR is also often used here. "FROR to ChipEater227, he sold me these chips last year....".

So if we're gonna say Tomayto Tomahto - then do it correct. First Right = Dibs.

So. What I've got is MY understanding of what dibs is, which is exactly what other members here understand, and what all the netinters are saying it means - FIRST RIGHT. NOT UNCONDITIONAL COMMITMENT.

And yet - there's some here that are all upset that many of us are going by the definition of the word. And getting all bent outta shape that someone calls 'first right' (aka DIBS), and then retracts later. I mean - what the hell? It's what the freaking definition is.

I will again repeat - if the word "DIBS" is to mean something different than the actual definition - which is First Right - then it needs to be defined by an Admin in writing here.

This is starting to sound like that girl a few years back that got all mad and crying, insisting that her spelling the word "Hampster" was correct, even though it's always spelled "hamster" forever.

Look, If you wanna write a dissertation on the definition of the word ”dibs” then go ahead. I’m not really interested. Call dibs in a sales thread of mine and then back out for no good reason and I will probably not take your word for it next time.

And I suspect many here would feel the same way.
 
I understand, and appreciate your perspective, and I don't necessarily disagree.

To me - 100% would be as follows;
"Sold". Or, "I'll take 'em".

Why use "dibs" then, instead of just saying "I'll take 'em"? And I say that, as some sellers specifically say to "post dibs".

I drove 350 miles once to look at a car. I told the seller that I'd take it, based on what they'd conveyed and the pics I saw. When I got there - the pics were from 10 years previous, and a lot of the things the seller said were OK - were not OK. Window regulators broken, door bottoms rusted out, one door hinge broken, and so forth. Way I view it (again - my perspective) - is that I dibs'd the car based on the info. Other info came forward, and I negated the deal.

I am in total agreement regarding not feeling favorably towards those that have retracted dibs fairly often. And I'd like to urge everyone to call backup if interested and dibs already spoken (although - calling backup has yet to work out for me).

I am of the opinion that if the assumption going forward is that "dibs" is a binding "I'll take them" - then let's also hold sellers accountable to including all the specifics. Include the price, how much shipping is, where the chips are (US, UK, Canada....), approximate time to ship, and more than a single picture top-down of a rack. Are the faces messed up? Can a 'splash pot' pic not be provided? I sell chips as well once in awhile, and I know how much shipping costs. Don't try to tell me a rack (loose packed) is going to be $20 shipped, that's ridiculous.

Accountability goes both ways, and to imply that "well, if you know these chips you don't need more pictures or information" is beyond stupid. Quite some time back I saw a half barrel of Mapes $1's in a rack (NOT HERE). That was the only pic. Price was a good price, I inquired, and turns out they were cancelled with the saw cut on the edge - but they were rotated down in the rack so you couldn't see they were cancelled. And what was then a $10 chip was actually worth a buck.

There's a LOT of hypocrisy here in the forums, and there's both a cry to bring in new members, and an equal cry that "newbies should know how things work and should stay away if they don't". This is bullshit, when there's nothing concrete. I don't give two shits if member A, B, and C say something should be a certain way, when there's members D, E, and F that don't play by those rules. As I mentioned previously - one of the most egregious selling faux pauxs was from a VERY long time member here, that should have known better - but because "they've been here", it was somewhat minimized. I'm sorry - but a 60-year old asshat is no less an asshat than a 30-year old asshat. In fact - the OLDER asshat that's been here longer should be held to a HIGHER standard because they've been here longer and should know better.

Get some WRITTEN standards that are written by ADMINS, and I'm good. Otherwise - to me, it's a case-by-case basis, with me making notes about those that frequently back out of deals. Othewise we might as well be arguing whether a hotdog is a sandwich, or if pineapple belongs on pizza or not.
Should you dibs in one of my sales threads, I now know to not take it seriously. Thanks for that.
 
I understand, and appreciate your perspective, and I don't necessarily disagree.

To me - 100% would be as follows;
"Sold". Or, "I'll take 'em".

Why use "dibs" then, instead of just saying "I'll take 'em"? And I say that, as some sellers specifically say to "post dibs".

I'll explain to you exactly why many here use dibs. Because it's 4 keystrokes.

Ever seen a sale where someone posts dibs within the first minute of the sale post? I have. And invariably there is a second post, also within a minute or two that says "I'll take them" or something else that is more than 4 characters. Then closely followed up by a third reply stating "Damn! Why didn't I just say dibs?"
 
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Release dibs happen all the time for what ever reason with people here. So for a new person seeing this happen then to me it is not binding. Just a placeholder.
When I see someone “dibs” I no longer look at the sale ad again, because I consider the item sold. If you feel ok doing that to sellers then you do you. But I’ll tell you now that your (you specifically) dibs are meaningless in any threads where I’m selling anything.

Anything I’m selling will remain for sale until I have money in hand from people like you, no matter what words you use to try and secure the right to buy.
 
I am of the opinion that if the assumption going forward is that "dibs" is a binding "I'll take them" - then let's also hold sellers accountable to including all the specifics. Include the price, how much shipping is, where the chips are (US, UK, Canada....), approximate time to ship, and more than a single picture top-down of a rack. Are the faces messed up? Can a 'splash pot' pic not be provided? I sell chips as well once in awhile, and I know how much shipping costs. Don't try to tell me a rack (loose packed) is going to be $20 shipped, that's ridiculous.
You always have the option of not buying from a seller who you don’t think is accurately describing their stuff. Just click on another thread and move on. Nobody owes you anything, not in a sale ad or in life.
 
When I see someone “dibs” I no longer look at the sale ad again, because I consider the item sold.
This is how I am too. The releasing of “dibs” is BS the vast majority of time. It hurts sellers, and it is not good for buyers either.

I hate the BS “dibs” crap altogether. Unlike a few, most people aren’t so insignificant that they can refresh the classifieds, eBay, etc ALL DAMN DAY. I don’t sell often, but when I do, I will sell to whoever I want.

The way chipping has changed, I see so many people “dibsing” things just so they can hold whatever it is for some ridiculous trade demand. They have no need for the chips other than to hold them hostage. I don’t care if they “dibs” in the first second, I’m not selling to them if I am made aware of someone that actually intends to get the chips on the felt.
 
This is how I am too. The releasing of “dibs” is BS the vast majority of time. It hurts sellers, and it is not good for buyers either.

I hate the BS “dibs” crap altogether. Unlike a few, most people aren’t so insignificant that they can refresh the classifieds, eBay, etc ALL DAMN DAY. I don’t sell often, but when I do, I will sell to whoever I want.

The way chipping has changed, I see so many people “dibsing” things just so they can hold whatever it is for some ridiculous trade demand. They have no need for the chips other than to hold them hostage. I don’t care if they “dibs” in the first second, I’m not selling to them if I am made aware of someone that actually intends to get the chips on the felt.
I’d really like to felt some Tachi $100’s…
 
I was recently trying to get my hands on an AS tournament sample set because I wanted to see the spots in real life because I was considering that pattern for a CPC tournament set. A partial set popped up and I pretty much auto dibbed without noticing that both the 5 and 25k were missing (I was fine with the 5 missing knowing that they’re fairly hard to get). I treated it as a commitment and still bought the chips because I had already laid claim to them and likely prevented others from calling dibs. I know I wouldn’t be happy if someone dibbed something I was selling and then backed out.

On the other hand, I feel that a sales post by a seller should be honored if they post something for sale. I recently was burned by a seller posting an ad for multiple racks and was one of the claimants of a rack and then the seller completely fell off the grid and nothing was ever sold (to me or any of the other claimants). Why post something for sale and then disappear?

In essence, this site doesn’t operate like eBay with official sales channel so we need all of the assurances we can get on both sides…
 
I recently was burned by a seller posting an ad for multiple racks and was one of the claimants of a rack and then the seller completely fell off the grid and nothing was ever sold (to me or any of the other claimants). Why post something for sale and then disappear?
A seller that doesn’t hold up their end of a bargain is what the negative feedback feature is for. Not sure what the circumstance was in your transaction, maybe seller was in the hospital? I would’ve waited ample time for him to make it right, and maybe give neutral feedback or negative feedback, depending on how it played out.
 
A seller that doesn’t hold up their end of a bargain is what the negative feedback feature is for. Not sure what the circumstance was in your transaction, maybe seller was in the hospital? I would’ve waited ample time for him to make it right, and maybe give neutral feedback or negative feedback, depending on how it played out.
Yeah, it felt like weeks went by and other potential buyers were pinging me asking if I heard anything from seller either. Finally the seller responded to everyone and said the sale wasn’t a priority and just cancelled. No emergency or other reasons justifiable. I guess in the long run it saved me money to put towards CPC… and your design skills ;)
 
Should you dibs in one of my sales threads, I now know to not take it seriously. Thanks for that.
At what point did I ever say I didn't take a dibs seriously????

A seller that doesn’t hold up their end of a bargain is what the negative feedback feature is for. Not sure what the circumstance was in your transaction, maybe seller was in the hospital? I would’ve waited ample time for him to make it right, and maybe give neutral feedback or negative feedback, depending on how it played out.
I believe the sale has to go through in order to leave feedback. I could be wrong on that. So if a seller doesn't respond - no way to leave negative feedback.


A main point I'm gonna reiterate is that this is a discussion (although a lively discussion), and hopefully newer members can take a read. I'm also going to reiterate that I'm not necessarily disagreeing with most all points.

What some individuals seem to saying is that they expect new/newer members here to immediately understand that dibs here - in this forum - means more than it's definition. I think that's pretty crappy, especially since there's nowhere for them to go to figure out "the dibs process" here. Yeah, there's this thread and others (see below), but there's still disagreements over how things are/should be done.

And what's ironic - is that there's been discussions about it before (this is not the only thread). https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...re-in-the-classifieds-m2m.67048/#post-1343912

I'm not debating because I think dibs can easily be retracted. I'm debating to (hopefully) remind everyone that there's more than one side to things, and there's still confusion on the parts of a lot of members. And I think that if you're a newer member, you need to be active here awhile before you truly get the specific nuances of this site, the way things work, and what separates it from other sites. This whole thing has a potential to be a big mess with the buying/selling process. Luckily - it goes pretty smoothly most of the time.

In reading through all the different threads, there's a whole lot of conflicting take-aways.
- a dibs is binding, you're saying you're purchasing
- I can sell to whomever, dibs doesn't mean anything
- the first dibs may not end up getting to purchase, because there was a PM <<<<(but yet - a dibs is supposed to be binding)
- the first dibs may not end up getting to purchase, because a lower dibs decided to purchase addl. lots so preference was given to them (but that wasn't listed).

I mean - seriously?

If everyone steps back and looks at all this with an open mind - you can see areas of conflict and confusion that can happen.

I guess my take-away is to try and keep a bit of an open mind to other viewpoints and perspectives - and also realize that this isn't straightforward to everyone.
 

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I haven't read this whole thing, just a few tid-bits. I once lost out on chips I really wanted (which is rare), as I PM'ed the person right away. He didn't honor my PM because I didn't post "DIBS" in the thread. I didn't want it known in that thread that I was buying them ( I cannot for the life of me remember what it was), and I was pissed.

Seller can do what they want for sure, but

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Welp, got another one to add to this thread.

”Dibs, just give me three days to pay” Says new member.

Three days pass.

“Color isn’t right, I don’t want these chips.”

:sneaky:
Negative feedback.
 

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