Is Gemaco Still In Business? (22 Viewers)

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Is Gemaco still around and actively making cards? Wikipedia suggests they were taken over by GPI in 2014, who was of course then bought out by Angel back in 2019. But the only store I can find that claims to carry any Gemaco products is Kardwell, and we all know that they tend to be full of BS. I've seen some old used vintage Gemaco setups listed on eBay, but nothing that looks like it would've been manufactured within the past 5-10 years. And a simple search of PCF reveals lots of wanted ads in the Classifieds looking for Gemaco cards over the past few years, almost all of which have gone unanswered.

Perhaps most interestingly, it sure looks like they have an active website at https://www.gemacocard.com. But this website lists them as being based out of Sheridan Wyoming, whereas historically Gemaco was based out of Blue Springs Missouri. So I'm not 1,000% convinced that this is even the same company... it could be someone pretending to be them (kind of like how www.kem.com actually takes you to a Kardwell website which is shady AF).

My guess, but I admit that it is indeed just a guess, is that Angel forced Gemaco to withdraw from the consumer market and deal only with casinos... just like they did with Paulson. Is that correct? That would certainly explain why there's no record of the brand having been discontinued at any point, and yet their products just aren't available on the open market nowadays. I'm just curious because I think Gemaco, Grimaud, and Trefl are among the only major card manufacturers that I haven't been able to try out yet. I really wanted to try out a setup of Gemaco's Superflex cards in particular, since multiple PCFers have mentioned them as being among their favorites. Any info would be most appreciated!

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Was playing in the WSOP at Caesars SI this week and they use Gemaco cards. Got to talking with one of the staff about them, he told me he didn't think they were still making cards. I asked how they got theirs and he told me they had a room full of them, but, they were older and didn't think they could still get them.

Wasn't a big fan of their chips, but, really like the cards. Was looking at the box he had and noticed that it had Blue Springs, MO on the side. Would like to be able to get some of the cards before they disappear.
 
Remember a few years ago they were making the compressed clay chips in a few colors and even offering them to the public. This did not last very long.
 
Another factor I always wondered about was the edge sorting fiasco with Phil Ivey. I’m pretty sure he requested the casino use Gemaco cards because that was the brand he was able to cheat with. It happened in London iirc. That could have been quite a blow for Gemaco.
 

Correct. They - Kardwell - seem to be the only store on the entire Interwebs that claims to still have new Gemaco setups in stock. The problem is that tons and tons of people have had issues with ordering from them over the years. Just search PCF for "Kardwell" and the results will be filled with horror stories. But I really really really want to try the Superflex and Gem Pros and Kardwell looks to be my only chance, so I just pulled the trigger on an order. If they try to stiff me then I can always dispute the charge through my credit card, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they'll come through this time.
 
So, I saw the negative stories and reviews about Kardwell here on this forum. I used to use them pretty frequently about 20 years ago, so I put an order in a month or two ago and everything came through perfectly.
 
So, I saw the negative stories and reviews about Kardwell here on this forum. I used to use them pretty frequently about 20 years ago, so I put an order in a month or two ago and everything came through perfectly.

I'm very glad to hear that. And to Kardwell's credit, I will say that they provided me a USPS tracking number literally only a couple of hours after I placed the order. I wouldn't expect that from a company with such a shoddy reputation, so maybe they've really cleaned up their act lately. Definitely keeping my fingers crossed.

If I had to pick my favorite plastic cards ever, it would be Gemaco superflex. Just damn good cards.

Yeah I can't even count how many people here at PCF have said the exact same thing. That's why I figured I had better try to get my hands on some right now, before they literally vanish from the face of the darn earth LOL. I mean from what I can tell once Kardwell runs out of their current inventory that'll be it... consumer access to Gemaco cards will have literally gone extinct. So I ordered one setup of Gemaco Superflex bridge size regular index (they were out of jumbo index unfortunately), one setup of the Gem Pro bridge size jumbo index, and one setup of regular Gemaco "Intricacy" cards which are also bridge size jumbo index. I figure that should give me a good variety of these legendary Gemaco cards so I can finally see what all the fuss is about. LOL
 
$41.00 shipped for one setup??

If you are referring to Kardwell's prices then yeah they were a bit steep. I think I paid just about $80.00 including shipping for 1 setup of Superflex bridge, 1 setup of Gem Pro bridge, and 1 setup of Gemaco regular bridge. But in their defense:
  1. That pricing is right on par with buying certain cards from the eBay fella in Lithuania who sells rare setups.
  2. This is still far cheaper than buying a new Kem setup right now.
  3. If Gemaco is really as good as everyone claims - and if this is really the last Gemaco inventory on the face of planet Earth - then I think it's a relatively fair price. Hell, if they had the full-bleed Superflex in bridge size I definitely would have sprung for one of those too. LOL
 

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