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MrWookie69
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Thanks for this comment - and I'm not doubting that one bit, and I largely agree, but "inquiring minds JUST want to know". You had the personal experience to learn what you like. Everyone is going to have a different experience and set of preferences. I just want to find a playing card I like that won't break the bank when I need to repurchase.
So lots to unpack since I received my cards...
Right now, I have a set of KEMs (wanted to know what 'allegedly' the best feeling card is as a benchmark), Copag 1546, a pack of Copag Elite (both Copags are PVC - they feel about the same to one another), and a pack of the Purple Modiano Texas Poker (acetate).
I have handled these a LOT over the past few days, one right after another, and there isn't anything subtle about the these three brands. They're all distinctly different in flex and feel.
The Modiano Texas Poker are the stiffest, but have this soft pleasing velvety touch/feel when handling. For a thicker card, they have a luxurious feel. They shuffle effortlessly - my favorite of the three decks. These will work really well with both poker and blackjack - our family loves blackjack. The Modianos don't stink.
Copags (both the 1546 and Elite) shuffle really well, but a bit more loosey-goosey. Man, sometimes these things just want to spray.
They have a bit more flex than the Modianos, but have a thin plasticky feel. They really float, and the top cards loves to slide off the deck. The moment I take the either the 1546 or Elite out, and set the deck on the table, the top 2 - 3 cards just slide off. ....AND!!!! The Copags still stink.The KEMs (going by the Black set, note of the Gold set below) have the most flex (they're like butter), but with a softer feel than the Copags - more similar to the luxurious feel of the Modiano - though, I prefer the slightly thicker feel of the Modianos over the much thinner KEMs (wow, didn't think I'd say that). The KEMS had an initial sharp acetone-ink stink, but that's largely worn off.
Every one of the card brands, including the stiffer Modianos, are significantly softer/more flexible than my Gemaco Casino cancelled cards, as well as the el-cheapo cards we typically use for Euchre tournies during my wife's holiday family gatherings. So pretty much anything is going to be a BIG improvement. Probably your $10 LotFancy setup would be a big improvement as well.
I don't plan on buying a boatload of cards - I really don't need to. A few packs for the family gatherings, and a few more packs for Poker and Blackjack with friends and family. The kids can play with Gemaco Cancelled cards, or cheap-o cards from the Dollar Store.
Regarding the Copag 1546 - the Queen of Hearts has a nice ink streak down the face of the card - the backs are all spotless and fine. Debating if I even want to return the set - maybe this is a set for the older (teen) kids to fart around with during Thanksgiving and Christmas.
******** A note about my KEM Gold Set *********
The Gold set already has a slight bow down the length of the pack. That makes them feel a helluva lot stiffer when trying to weave shuffle - they don't feel anything like the Black Set, (thanks Hobbyphilic, for getting me hooked on this shuffling method
), and it makes them float off the top of the deck way too easily. I do not have this issue with the Black set, which is the set I used for flex and feel.I have already submitted a "return authorization" order for a refund from Amazon - they'll be dropped off at the post office today. None of the Copags nor the Modiano have this warpage issue - both sit perfectly flat - and I've handled both significantly more than the KEMs. I really wanted to like the KEMs for some reason (maybe I was searching for rabbit hole), but at $55+ for a setup of cards that seems to have the same noted flaw from numerous users is absurd.
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Compared to Kem and Copag, they are stiffer. I think the reason everybody likes modianos (aside from the justified brand hate) is that they’re kinda right down the middle stiffness/fkexiness-wise.
And, for providing 4 jumbo indexes for us crippled left-handers 
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MrWookie69
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Texas Poker Modianos are absolutely not stiff. They're some of the most flexible cards I've ever shuffled. Are you sure you're not mixing something up?
100% THIS!
I don't have enough cards to get this mixed up.
Yeah! I opted for the Texas 2 over the Texas 4 - screw the lefties. ....I want every advantage I can get.
I have to revisit. Dix's database (RIP) has these as some of the most flexible cards out there, even over Kems and Copags, and I recall my subjective experience lining up with this.
KEMs are wet bar napkins, Modianos are flexy but not that flexy. Ive got Angels, KEMs, and weird Bicycle sailing decks as flexier than Modianos.
Purple Modiano Texas Holdem cards are acetate? Interesting. some of the colours are marked as Acetate on the Modiano site for that line, and some are PVC.
Purple is acetate: https://www.modiano.it/en/product/texas-poker-2-jumbo-index-viola/
Orange is PVC: https://www.modiano.it/en/product/texas-poker-2-jumbo-index-arancione/
I didn't expect that.
Purple is acetate: https://www.modiano.it/en/product/texas-poker-2-jumbo-index-viola/
Orange is PVC: https://www.modiano.it/en/product/texas-poker-2-jumbo-index-arancione/
I didn't expect that.
Color me skeptical.
Anybody have a photo of the actual packaging, where it says acetate?
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Deck-to-Deck, the Modiano Texas 2 Acetate cards are about three cards thicker than the Copag Elite.
In this chart, I don't see the Texas 2 cards listed...
The Acetate Texas 2 cards do not have a linen stock. The have a textured stock for sure, feels a bit more than the Copag Elite. So I can't judge here.
According this, using KEM as a benchmark with a flex score of 19, I would estimate the Copag Elite flex like a 17, and the Texas 2 Acetate flex like a 16. The KEM bridged effortlessly, the Copag noticeably bit more stiff, and the Texas 2 Acetate a bit more stiff than the Copag.
I just did a non-scientific "droop" test between the Copag and Texas 2 - placing the same 6 Paulson chips on the suspended cards, and the Copag drooped more...
Just note - none of these cards felt "STIFF"... if you know what I mean.
....Not worth losing sleep over...
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The green deck is, according to the description, also acetate. "330 micron acetate". This is also in the description of the Platinum
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Yup. I ordered a small batch of Texas 2 Acetate cards today.
Green, Blue, Red, and Purple are all acetate per the Modiano website
Black, Light Blue, Light Green, Orange, Brown, and Grey are PVC per the Modiano website.
I haven't tried the PVC versions, and doubt I will.
If you buy me a PVC version (Grey will do), I can compare them to the Purple.
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I have to check my decks, that's super weird tbh.
Btw the Dal Negro Texas Holdem are available with black and green backs as well.
The Texas Poker stock is the "old" desjgn stock with a 19.5 flex, over both Kem and Copag.Deck-to-Deck, the Modiano Texas 2 Acetate cards are about three cards thicker than the Copag Elite.
In this chart, I don't see the Texas 2 cards listed...
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The Acetate Texas 2 cards do not have a linen stock. The have a textured stock for sure, feels a bit more than the Copag Elite. So I can't judge here.
According this, using KEM as a benchmark with a flex score of 19, I would estimate the Copag Elite flex like a 17, and the Texas 2 Acetate flex like a 16. The KEM bridged effortlessly, the Copag noticeably bit more stiff, and the Texas 2 Acetate a bit more stiff than the Copag.
I just did a non-scientific "droop" test between the Copag and Texas 2 - placing the same 6 Paulson chips on the suspended cards, and the Copag drooped more...
Just note - none of these cards felt "STIFF"... if you know what I mean.
Does it say acetate anywhere on the box?
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Welp. That's some lucky Desjgn Houdini magic, because that's not what they feel like when comparing all three in hand...
Jeezus. I can't keep up with this thread anymore.
No. It says 100% plastic. That's it. As far as I can tell, there's nothing that states PVC on any of the other color packages either.
SO!!! ....going by what JMC is stating above, where the "Old Desjgn" stock shares the same stock as the Modiano Texas Poker 2 cards - those are listed as CEL (read Acetate)...
That noted, with my personal experience I certainly wouldn't give Texas 2 cards a flex of 19.5 compared to 19 with the KEMs - if indeed they share the same acetate stock as the "Old Desjgn"...
I now have a pack of grey PVC listed cards on order to ship with my others, so I can directly compare when they arrive. Damn you guys...
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The finish is different, but the stock itself IIRC is the same.
Not all Desjgn Classic Victorian offerings are the same. And I can only speak to the Classic Victorian line.
My understanding is that there were 3 versions of CV's
v1: red/blue. Identifiable by unique pips on some cards (e.g. 9x has a 3x3 row of pips). Unknown stock (to me, anyways)
v2: orange/brown/purple/green. Modiano stock.
v3: red/blue/black/yellow. Dal Negro stock.
I own all of the above, and can confirm that there are differences in the stock between each version.
My understanding is that there were 3 versions of CV's
v1: red/blue. Identifiable by unique pips on some cards (e.g. 9x has a 3x3 row of pips). Unknown stock (to me, anyways)
v2: orange/brown/purple/green. Modiano stock.
v3: red/blue/black/yellow. Dal Negro stock.
I own all of the above, and can confirm that there are differences in the stock between each version.
THAT would track with the acetate claim, because that old design Modiano stock was indeed magical.
But I’ve got some Texas poker right here and I 100% promise you this is not that.
Dix redneck database was the greatest thing ever, but it wasn’t 100% accurate.
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If the Modiano website is accurate, the orange flavor of the Texas Poker cards are PVC, not acetate. So they're using two different stocks. ...not sure what they were using or how they had it broken down 2, 3 or 5 years ago.
Also want to note - the Modiano Texas stock have a linen finish. At least not my Purple flavor...
It's more likely to say that they use "few different stocks".
Most consistent stock is used for Cristallos (PVC) and Platinium (acetate).
Apart from Platinium and WSOP acetate edition (WSOP branded but not used during tournament) Modianos are PVC.
Yeah, I see that it says that. I just have a hard time believing it. So black, red, and orange are PVC, but green, purple, blue, and grey are acetate? Why would they use different stocks for cards in the same series?
They even picture them all together in the same carton.
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No. They're saying (dark) blue, (dark) green, purple, and red are acetate.
Companies do monumentally inefficient stupid shit all the time. I'm not saying for 100% certain those colors acetate. That's only what Modiano has listed on their website. And based on the post from JMC, that kinda corroborates the website.... so.... I'll currently give the edge to it being real (for now).
Like I said, I have a set of grey (listed as PVC) coming - should be a few weeks - so I can directly compare those to the purple flavor.
Regardless if they're acetate or PVC, I like the velvety feel and flex of the Modiano TP2 over the Copags, as well as the flatness and feel over the KEMs. I still like the KEMs (if you have a flawless deck) buttery flex...
I look forward to your review.No. They're saying (dark) blue, (dark) green, purple, and red are acetate.
Companies do monumentally inefficient stupid shit all the time. I'm not saying for 100% certain those colors acetate. That's only what Modiano has listed on their website. And based on the post from JMC, that kinda corroborates the website.... so.... I'll currently give the edge to it being real (for now).
Like I said, I have a set of grey (listed as PVC) coming - should be a few weeks - so I can directly compare those to the purple flavor.
Regardless if they're acetate or PVC, I like the velvety feel and flex of the Modiano TP2 over the Copags, as well as the flatness and feel over the KEMs. I still like the KEMs (if you have a flawless deck) buttery flex...
FYI, I got some Orange/Brown Classic Victorian's this past Christmas-new in box but AOS was dated 2013. Desjgn confirmed that was the Modiano stock. They feel really good. Anyhow, they are still out there.
This is what it's called "urban legend"....No. They're saying (dark) blue, (dark) green, purple, and red are acetate.
Companies do monumentally inefficient stupid shit all the time. I'm not saying for 100% certain those colors acetate. That's only what Modiano has listed on their website. And based on the post from JMC, that kinda corroborates the website.... so.... I'll currently give the edge to it being real (for now).
Like I said, I have a set of grey (listed as PVC) coming - should be a few weeks - so I can directly compare those to the purple flavor.
Regardless if they're acetate or PVC, I like the velvety feel and flex of the Modiano TP2 over the Copags, as well as the flatness and feel over the KEMs. I still like the KEMs (if you have a flawless deck) buttery flex...
Texas may vary in stock in different years but it's still PVC.....
I doubt that some colors of the Texas range are actually acetate.
They are all the same price, so i really doubt!
They are all the same price, so i really doubt!
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