Is saying "nice hand", etc, in an all in situation when behind unsportsmanlike? (2 Viewers)

Is it a needle to say "nice hand", et al. before the whole runout is dealt in an all in situation?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.5%

  • No

    Votes: 103 92.0%

  • It's ok if among friends

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • It's ok if among friends but still pretty questionable

    Votes: 2 1.8%
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Per the title.

I ran into this situation last nigh when I was all in for my tournament life. I shove all in and villain calls, I turn over A2 and him K 10. He's saying "nice hand", "you got it", etc as the flop and turn are being dealt, and then he binks an out on the river to send me packing. As this is among friends, I was maybe upset for 5 seconds, then moved on with the rest of the night. I think that villain was perhaps a bit too excited to get the double up, but a part of me wanted to say something to the degree of "be careful who you do this to, not everyone is going to be gracious about getting sucked out on like this" but decide to just keep my mouth shut. Still, it stung a little, and I do think that this kind of thing can be construed as a needle from the wrong person. Am I off here or just being a sensitive baby?

Would love to hear what the populace here has to say...
 
mipevi said:
I mean, were you upset about his words before he binked the river? Just banter IMO unless his tone was insulting.
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Eh not really, I guess I'm just easily irritated. Popular opinion or not, in an all in situation whether I'm ahead or behind, I STFU until all the cards are dealt.
 
As described seemed pretty innocuous to me... your ahead, he tells you "nice hand", "you got this". At a guess sounds like villian is using the old "reverse psychology for luck" gambit. Personally I think it's a bit lame but nothing to get your panties in a twist over. Especially as there did not seem to be anything said or done when he actually binked.

It just always blows when you get sucked out on...
 
TheRealTeddyKGB said:
How is it a needle if he said it before the suck out? If your hand would have held what would you have thought of his comment?
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Honestly still irritated, because he had plenty of outs and was acting like it was a forgone conclusion he was going to lose. I got the sense that he was trying to do the 'ol reverse jinx and it worked.

I sometimes simply say "good luck" before cards are dealt, but I feel like I lose every single time I do, ahead or behind. I'm just going to say nothing every time.
 
mipevi said:
I mean, were you upset about his words before he binked the river? Just banter IMO unless his tone was insulting.
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Yea, pretty much this. Without exact board you are probably like 4:1 favorite on the turn. Poker is hard.....& he is going to bink sometimes.
 
I'll also add that this particular player likes to needle others at times in non all in situations. He cracked aces of another player's on a pretty rough runout a few months ago and still lets this player hear about it time to time. It's friendly banter for the most part, but said aggrieved party with the aces did approach me after that game privately and expressed his disdain for the needles. Something I may need to keep an eye on the next few weeks to months...
 
I totally understand getting irritated about stuff like this, but I don’t think he’s out of line. You could be 100% sure he was trying to do the ole reverse jinx and he’s still not out of line.
Personally I agree with you - everybody please STFU until we see the turn and river. But what he said is not a needle.
 
Depending on suits it's about 56% to 43% so I consider it a coin flip. Would I be annoyed with the "you got it" comment? Probably but "nice hand" definitely not. Would I have said that? Hell no but I like to consider myself a classy poker player.

I think the pain you feel is from getting bounced from the tournament & not your friends comments...
 
I might say something like "dang, I'm behind. Nice hand. I need to get lucky." But I wouldn't intend it as a way to needle. It would depend on the villain how I feel about the comment.
 
I dint think its a needle and I consider myself a needling expert .


on another note...

One of the very few things that tilts me is when your heads up and villain sucks out or it was a close flip and another player NOT in the hand says.. 'nice hand' to the winner.

FUCK THAT. makes you like like a dumb dumb because obviously it wasn't a nice hand and they should have lost. Obviously.

When you hear me say NH to someone its because they played it well. Got their money in good.


Yyyayyayrggg TILTED
 
The regs in my game take the piss so much with each other, I don't even think this would register on my radar to be honest. That said, for all the shit we talk, even we know when to reel it back after a suck out so as not to rub salt in a fresh wound.

The scenario you describe seems totally fine to me, especially given it was all said pre-flop.
 
People can take playing games like poker way too seriously. I certainly have in the past as well, but I’ve learned to shrug the negative things off instantaneously. Now it’s all rainbows and sunshine, regardless of what happens at the table. :)

With age comes wisdom, sometimes.
 
cpac54 said:
The regs in my game take the piss so much with each other, I don't even think this would register on my radar to be honest. That said, for all the shit we talk, even we know when to reel it back after a suck out so as not to rub salt in a fresh wound.

The scenario you describe seems totally fine to me, especially given it was all said pre-flop.
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yea, saying it pre flop or before the river is definitely ok.

Saying it after and adding in a few.. Oh wow you really should have won with that.. No bueno
 
I guess "needling" may be the wrong word here. Let's call it "impolite without knowing the outcome" perhaps.
 
JMC9389 said:
Per the title.

I ran into this situation last nigh when I was all in for my tournament life. I shove all in and villain calls, I turn over A2 and him K 10. He's saying "nice hand", "you got it", etc as the flop and turn are being dealt, and then he binks an out on the river to send me packing. As this is among friends, I was maybe upset for 5 seconds, then moved on with the rest of the night. I think that villain was perhaps a bit too excited to get the double up, but a part of me wanted to say something to the degree of "be careful who you do this to, not everyone is going to be gracious about getting sucked out on like this" but decide to just keep my mouth shut. Still, it stung a little, and I do think that this kind of thing can be construed as a needle from the wrong person. Am I off here or just being a sensitive baby?

Would love to hear what the populace here has to say...
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You're being a sensitive baby. I would have needled you MUCH worse. It's part of the fun of poker.
 
I don’t think I can find anything here I would consider a needle, per se. Definitely reverse jinxing by the villain, which is annoying too, especially when it works, but I wouldn’t say that’s really out of line, either. Just kinda poor form.

Like you said, in a game among friends, it’s a quick brush off the shoulder. If it was a stranger or for serious money, it would be more difficult to swallow.
 
If I'm playing against a good buddy, I'd probably say "Nice hand. You know I'm going to suck out, right?"
 
CantSpellPoker said:
I don’t think I can find anything here I would consider a needle, per se. Definitely reverse jinxing by the villain, which is annoying too, especially when it works, but I wouldn’t say that’s really out of line, either. Just kinda poor form.

Like you said, in a game among friends, it’s a quick brush off the shoulder. If it was a stranger or for serious money, it would be more difficult to swallow.
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That's pretty much how I feel. I was working miracles with the cards I was getting dealt and that I made it to 3rd place was a small miracle in itself. I was one card away from making things pretty much even three ways and had worked hard to get from a 5 BB to 12ish BB stack. I flopped two pair two hands before only for the villain to get runner runner straight on me to take half that 12 BB stack. I shoved with my remaining 6 BB's in this hand and got sucked out on.
 
I seriously don't get this thread. Poker is 100% a mental game. A good player will always be looking for an edge, and if he knows a seemingly innocent comment like this is going to get under another player's skin, he's going to use it at some point. Best advice I can give is "never let them see you sweat." I try to remain as calm and composed as possible throughout the game, even if I'm seething inside over an issue or a hand. Doesn't alway work, as every once in a while I'll lose it over a bad beat or suckout. But I try. And I'll definitely do what villain did as well. Being as nice as I can to other players, even when I don't mean it. Saying "nice hand" and "good luck" a lot. I try to appear as friendly as possible during a game, but definitely use the "friendly needling" approach sometimes as well. I personally don't think it's poor form or inappropriate if it's not being overused or you're not being abusive about it.
 
The one that bugs me more than any other is the directed "Thank You" directed at the loser when someone wins a pot. Especially when the person that loses makes a tough tank call. But really, any time some one says this, regardless of how it went down, I wanna punch them in the face.

Also used to piss me off in games of online Magic when someone said GG before the game was actually over too, as if it was a forgone conclusion just because the game looked un-losable to them.
 
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I think that there is almost nothing that can be said in an all-in situation that would be off limits. You get your money in when you think your cards are good... which you did. Everything said and done thereafter means nothing. There are a couple of guys at my game that would say anything to get under your skin, and then there are a few who are genuinely not even that concerned about the stakes and would sincerely wish you good luck. Don't even give it a second thought... play your game.
 

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