Is this a call, raise, fold? (2 Viewers)

[BEANO52]

6 hours into $300 tournament.
Blinds 4000/8000/8000.
280+ entries
44 left, 36 paid.

UTG +1 shoves for 9 bb

 

[FordPickup92]

It's a call,followed by all in
So call + 1000 on top, all in
Edit: sorry thought that said 9000 all in my bad but either way it's a call all in plus 63000
And everyone that calls has to match that for the main pot, but there is more action where it can be re raised by a bigger all in

 

[FordPickup92]

Are they in the ante? So 8k ante plus 8k BB??

 

[kmccormick100]

It's at least a call 28bb deep I think, probably a re-shove but is dependent on the stacks behind you and how active they are...

 

[demonnic]

definitely not a fold, AJs is ahead of most of a 10bb fold/shove range

 

[BEANO52]

UTG+1 shoves 9bb
UTG+2 (table chip leader 27bb, remaining stacks between 8 & 25bb)

 

[FordPickup92]

I over thought that. Sorry
Probably fold on online poker

 

[upNdown]

I’d want to know what the stacks for the rest of the table look like. But I think a fold is okay - do you need to risk at least 1/3 of your stack at this point in the tournament, with literally everybody else yet to act, when you’re pretty healthy? I don’t think so.

 

[kmccormick100]

As chip leader at the table I think it's a re-shove to isolate

 

[kmccormick100]

I’d want to know what the stacks for the rest of the table look like. But I think a fold is okay - do you need to risk at least 1/3 of your stack at this point in the tournament, with literally everybody else yet to act, when you’re pretty healthy? I don’t think so.

You're such a nit, Rob

 

[upNdown]

You're such a nit, Rob

In tournament play, yeah I tend to be. But it’s served me well. And it’s a good thing at times.
Edit: fwiw, if I’m on the button or in the blinds, I’m probably shoving - the fold is a close call

 

[ngmcs8203]

My range in this spot would be AJs+, 77+ and AQo+. If I flat and get re-shoved on by a similar sized stack to mine, I'd be happy to call it off but I'd rather take the aggressive lead here and re-shove.

 

[Legend5555]

This is an ICM fold I think. 7 players still to act behind. And a UTG jamming range here needs to be pretty tight this close to the money.

 

[RainmanTrail]

It would be a call if the UTG player had made a normal sized raise, but given the size of the raise and your position, it's probably a fold unless you have more chips than everyone else. But if multiple other players have you covered, it's a fold. You're opening yourself up to get reshoved on by someone in a position to squeeze your dead money if you call. Particularly because you have a capped range by just calling here.

Reshoving is probably better than calling though. And depending on the other players stacks, reshoving could be the GTO play.

 

[springbox]

8 from the money, 6 players left to act I'd fold, but I'm probably a nit.

 

[demonnic]

People keep saying ICM like it's a real thing, I'm pretty sure it's made up

 

[ekricket]

Fold and look for spots where you are in control. You can’t even control if you’re isolating here or not. Don’t know the other players chip stacks but there may be a short stack (60k) that sees an opportunity to triple up with 79 suited. They would win and cripple both of you - guaranteed

 

[RainmanTrail]

People keep saying ICM like it's a real thing, I'm pretty sure it's made up

It's just math. Which some people are afraid of.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Something else worth considering is the skill gap between you and the other players. If they're clearly better than you, then that's an argument toward reshoving, whereas if you have a clear advantage over them later on, it's an argument for folding because you'll have ample opportunities for better spots later on. This concept is extremely important in tournament poker, and it's one that the majority of GTO guys somehow overlook, or at least under-appreciate.

 

[demonnic]

I mean, math is pretty fundamental to poker. I'm just making jokes.

 

[Legend5555]

It's will documented that ICM is for poor people.

 

[BEANO52]

Spoiler:

I was the 9bb shove with . I believe I had a fairly tight image and naturally a J came on the turn.

IMHO, AJs is a fold to my shove with 43 left and 36 paid, and putting your "comfortable" table chip leader in danger from an UTG +1 shove for 1/3 of your stack is bad.

Of course my emotions of suffering the beat may play into it LOL . . . .

 

[upNdown]

Poker is mean

 

[RainmanTrail]

Spoiler:

I was the 9bb shove with . I believe I had a fairly tight image and naturally a J came on the turn.

IMHO, AJs is a fold to my shove with 43 left and 36 paid, and putting your "comfortable" table chip leader in danger from an UTG +1 shove for 1/3 of your stack is bad.

Of course my emotions of suffering the beat may play into it LOL . . . .

If you truly were playing like a nit, then it's a pretty bad call. But if you're playing closer to GTO with your shoving range then the decision is much closer. Especially if he was the chip leader.

 

[BEANO52]

Nit, not really but definitely tightened up at the end.

The marks are the button on me, about 6 hours worth:

 

[LeLe]

Fold for me, you either Flipping or Behind most (if not all) of the time and with so many people acting behind you as well.

 

[JJDiamonds]

AJ is what I busted with in a $250 tournament last Saturday... I lost to pocket queens... I placed 11th. Two away from placing

 

[MichaelBubly]

Pretty sure this is a somewhat straight forward fold UTG+1 considering ICM. Button or Blinds it’s most likely a jam or call. Also really depends on the stacks behind you, but I’m probably happily mucking. Would rather raise call off versus rejam with so much action behind.

 

[Marc Hedrick]

This one is pretty player dependent for me.

If UTG is someone I think is capable of jamming a proper 10BB shove range, then it may be worth a re-jam to isolate. But it doesn't seem really necessary at this point with a 28BB stack this close to the money. It's probably a +EV spot (but barely) and we don't need to be taking close spots/flips with ICM implications.

The more I think about it, fold seems like the best option against most players from UTG+1. Obviously, quite a bit different if we're CO or button in this spot.

 

[BEANO52]

Thanks for the input everyone. I am 100% comfortable with my shove obviously and don't even hate the call (albeit, I lost). I'm gonna stick with a fold being more optimal than calling off 1/3 of their stack in that particular position and time. In fact, a re-shove was even better than a call. Indeed, fairly close.