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something was said a gb was no different then those who used multiple addresses, not that what you shouldnt have
 
something was said a gb was no different then those who used multiple addresses, not that what you shouldnt have
How is that so. Multiple accounts allows a single person to get thousands of chips. A group buy allows 2000 to be split among multiple people.

Its exactly the same as buying what you need and selling the extras, except you are doing it before the sale. Unless you are saying its wrong to sell extras, then there is nothing wrong with it.
 
something was said a gb was no different then those who used multiple addresses, not that what you shouldnt have
Wouldn't the purpose of multiple mailing addresses be to purchase more than 2000 chips?

In the case of my GB, everyone got less than 2000 chips and I even offered up the snappers rather than taking them myself.

I just don't see any issue at all & I hope others don't either. I would not have done it if I thought there was any issue whatsoever....
 
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It only doesn't matter if they're not a member. If they are, then it matters a lot.
But if you ban them they are no longer a member and can still participate in the sales and will continue the same behavior, maybe even more egregious as there is no repercussions.

As for the GB comment that everyone is so up in arms about. Think that’s directed at me, if not sorry. However yes the quantities are within the limit but say I get a group of members to buy for me all within the limits is that different? Not to get into the semantic of what a GB is. That was the correlation I wasn’t calling anyone out directly for offering space and I think it is very kind and within spirit but my point was again if I get people to buy pieces for me I end up with a larger share than percentages allow. Not saying it’s right or wrong just drawing a comparison.

Full disclosure I didn’t participate in any portion of attempting to buy from this sale.
 
The group buy is clearly within the rules and so is not the same issue yet I’m guessing jim would prefer that others not do it and it does make getting certain chips a bit harder.

On the one hand allows people to get desirable chips without buying up more of the filler stuff like used 5s and 25s, and it seems like a big part of pricing high demand chips low is to encourage people to load up on those. From the buyers perspective, many of the people participating in group buys for high value chips are people who otherwise wouldn’t have ordered making it a bit tougher to get our own piece.

If he really didn’t want it to happen though he could make a rule against it. Much bigger problem is multi buys obviously. And posting the initial offering on a private forum for members with > x posts and/or reg dates x months old is a very easy fix.
 
Spoiler alert

More then a few members (also veterans) have tried to find a backdoor with TCR sales.
Even when we were back in CT times.

First we had no % and a few members (but one in particular) bought all high denom chips to flip them to the community
Then we had % and people ordered multiple times to finaly arrive at that % (but in the process they bought all high denoms first)
Result was many members that played the game straight, were not able to complete their order/set in time.
The rules had to be changed again...

Now we have % and rule that states that % have to right with every order and a max amount...now they order via multiple accounts / shipping addy

Like in the real world...the majority of honest people get screwed over by a minority of scammers & flippers.
I can tell you this...i'll welcome you to my 'do not sell or buy chips from' list...for life if word gets out
Spoken Thomas.
 
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Me waiting for my first TCR sale chips to arrive in the mail.
 
something was said a gb was no different then those who used multiple addresses, not that what you shouldnt have

Group buy is a LITTLE against the spirit of the percentage limits, but I think 90% of the people don't care since it was within the household limits, done in the open, and it really isn't being done to flip to the community for the most part. 5x separate email/ forum accounts is a WHOLE different thing, imo

If anything, the organized group buy COMBATS against the 5x single buyer: less smaller buyers without chips to profit off of.
 
But if you ban them they are no longer a member and can still participate in the sales and will continue the same behavior, maybe even more egregious as there is no repercussions.
Whether or not they participate in future sales is up to Jim, not the PCF community. I'd like to see them banned from both, but we have no control over what Jim wants to do. That's why my statement was only in regards to PCF membership. Take that away and we take away a large percentage of the offenders market.
 
So, I bought some of the used $1 Chips. Has anyone else noticed that there is a significant amount of X surface scratching on the inlays? The only other used chips I have to compare to is HSI chips that I have. I do not see this on those. I certainly expect random scratching of the inlay on used chips, but on these Jack $1, it is a deliberate light crossing out on the label. I wish it would show up in pictures with my phone. It shows clearly when the light reflects at a certain angle. This shows on almost all of the chips. On a random barrel I picked, 3 of them had very light scratching that you had to look for to notice, 16 had significant surface scratching, and 1 had deep white scratches through the surface of the label that could be seen in any light/angle.

Should this be expected with used casino chips? I have never heard it discussed before. Otherwise, the chips are in excellent condition, most are not too dirty and edges seem very good for used chips, must better than the HSIs. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I will see if I can post some pictures with a better camera a little later.
 
So, I bought some of the used $1 Chips. Has anyone else noticed that there is a significant amount of X surface scratching on the inlays? The only other used chips I have to compare to is HSI chips that I have. I do not see this on those. I certainly expect random scratching of the inlay on used chips, but on these Jack $1, it is a deliberate light crossing out on the label. I wish it would show up in pictures with my phone. It shows clearly when the light reflects at a certain angle. This shows on almost all of the chips. On a random barrel I picked, 3 of them had very light scratching that you had to look for to notice, 16 had significant surface scratching, and 1 had deep white scratches through the surface of the label that could be seen in any light/angle.

Should this be expected with used casino chips? I have never heard it discussed before. Otherwise, the chips are in excellent condition, most are not too dirty and edges seem very good for used chips, must better than the HSIs. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I will see if I can post some pictures with a better camera a little later.
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So, I bought some of the used $1 Chips. Has anyone else noticed that there is a significant amount of X surface scratching on the inlays? The only other used chips I have to compare to is HSI chips that I have. I do not see this on those. I certainly expect random scratching of the inlay on used chips, but on these Jack $1, it is a deliberate light crossing out on the label. I wish it would show up in pictures with my phone. It shows clearly when the light reflects at a certain angle. This shows on almost all of the chips. On a random barrel I picked, 3 of them had very light scratching that you had to look for to notice, 16 had significant surface scratching, and 1 had deep white scratches through the surface of the label that could be seen in any light/angle.

Should this be expected with used casino chips? I have never heard it discussed before. Otherwise, the chips are in excellent condition, most are not too dirty and edges seem very good for used chips, must better than the HSIs. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I will see if I can post some pictures with a better camera a little later.
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So, I bought some of the used $1 Chips. Has anyone else noticed that there is a significant amount of X surface scratching on the inlays? The only other used chips I have to compare to is HSI chips that I have. I do not see this on those. I certainly expect random scratching of the inlay on used chips, but on these Jack $1, it is a deliberate light crossing out on the label. I wish it would show up in pictures with my phone. It shows clearly when the light reflects at a certain angle. This shows on almost all of the chips. On a random barrel I picked, 3 of them had very light scratching that you had to look for to notice, 16 had significant surface scratching, and 1 had deep white scratches through the surface of the label that could be seen in any light/angle.

Should this be expected with used casino chips? I have never heard it discussed before. Otherwise, the chips are in excellent condition, most are not too dirty and edges seem very good for used chips, must better than the HSIs. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I will see if I can post some pictures with a better camera a little later.
Yup, rack checks. And if it makes you feel any better, a lot of new chips have them too.
 
like this?

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Yes. What you picture here is similar. There is only this depth of scratching on a small percentage. Most are lighter than that. But what I am seeing seems like it was done deliberately (I could be wrong). It is not one line like that, it is an X pattern on the chips. 2 - 7 lines per chip in an X pattern.
 
Got mine today.
Looks like about 20%-22% of the 5s and 25s are GO or anniversary chips.
I will be buying a few more racks. The ones are pretty clean! All seam clean for that matter.
 
Yup, rack checks. And if it makes you feel any better, a lot of new chips have them too.
I have heard the term rack check used here. But whenever I have heard it, it seems like people would say one chip in a barrel had a rack check. This is on almost all of the chips?
 
It was 5 orders. 3 had already gone out (2 1st hour, 1 2nd hour) 2 other 1st hour orders canceled. I was very unhappy. The last thing I needed to do was waste over an hour trying to figure that out.
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
I have heard the term rack check used here. But whenever I have heard it, it seems like people would say one chip in a barrel had a rack check. This is on almost all of the chips?
Generally it's on all the exterior chips of a barrel, but as they get moved around, new chips get rack checked. So if ya find one, expect to find more.
 
I have heard the term rack check used here. But whenever I have heard it, it seems like people would say one chip in a barrel had a rack check. This is on almost all of the chips?
So if you think about it, for the “new” secondaries, they just sit in the vault and never move, so only one per barrel gets “checked.”
But with chips that are being used, a different chip is in front of the barrel every night.
 
Thanks for all the replies.
Some of my HSI $5's had these scratches.
I see them on some of the HSI $1 and $5 I have, but on the Jacks the marks are on almost every single one. I guess maybe it is just more noticeable on the Jacks because the label is black? Thanks for the information everyone.
 
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