JJ in BB 1/2 hand w/ straddle at Maryland Live! (1 Viewer)

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OK so I'm at Live! playing 1-2 at about 6:30am on a Saturday morning. The table has been cobbled together over the last hour or so with other tables that have been breaking. I'm sitting on a $205.

V1-UTG straddler (he's been straddling every opportunity) is Loose, mostly passive but has shown a turn bluff with 2-7 of diamonds after a two diamond flop checked around. He evidently has been playing for a while, it looked like he was ready to fall asleep at the table a few orbits ago but has perked up recently after he has won a few decent hands. He has me covered ~$250 in chips

V2-UTG +2 Guy in late 20's with Michigan t-shirt and earbuds in. Looks like he may have just arrived at the table. Only have played a few orbits with him (and have not seen him go to showdown) but he has been very aggressive so far. He has $232.

Pre-flop action: UTG straddles for $5, UTG +2 calls, one other caller in MP. I wake up in BB w/ JJ. Thoughts?
 
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You don't want 3 callers in this spot, even with position. Design you bet to get 1 caller. If $18 pot-sized raises are getting called all around then make it $25 or more.
Or, like Chippy says, if this guy is an aggro-donk, then limp-ship it (and expect to lose to a straight when he snap calls you with 22.
 
6:30am Saturday, assuming SB folded I'd bump it to $25-$30. It looks like a potential steal (low %) but many are likely stuck for the night willing to call with wider range (high %). I'm happy with isolation, but not too isolated to take it down. At $25 you should have at least one customer for added value. I'm also playing JJ strong throughout the hand 90% of the times so if your post flop play is weak you could reduce bet to $15 PF to allow yourself to abandon ship for less loss if a scary board appears.

Edit: I forgot about the straddle. I'm still going with plan A above but the second scenario I would replace $15 with call if straddle raises often like chippy stated.
 
Straddle has not been raising for the most part if it has been limped to him. I raised to $20, and UTG & UTG+2 call.

Flop is :8s::6c::4s:

Pot is $66 - rake.

remaining stack sizes are:

Me $185
UTG $230
UTG+2 $212

Thoughts on how to proceed?
 
Maybe I missed it, but what is Hero's position? I'm assuming based on what I've just reread we are in one of the blinds?

Ok, so we should be mostly concerned about villians holding 88 or 66 in these spots as possible hands that beat us. I'd rule out AA/KK. QQ is a slight possibility, but I weigh this less likely.

I believe we're still ahead most of the time and we should lead out. I like a bet of $45 here. Someone with a draw or combo draw could get feisty on us here (with either a call or raise) and I don't like being OOP (which again, I'm assuming we are)

But if we bet $45 and get called by one player that's $90 + $66 = $156 in the pot and we have $140 for a turn shove.
 
That's a dry flop with potential for straight and flush draws. You are ahead of almost everything except a slowly played over pair (unlikely) or a setted pair so no need to not punish here. The biggest issue is a pot size bet commits over a third of your stack. I'd bet $60 and be prepared to jam if needed.
 
Maybe I missed it, but what is Hero's position? I'm assuming based on what I've just reread we are in one of the blinds?

Ok, so we should be mostly concerned about villians holding 88 or 66 in these spots as possible hands that beat us. I'd rule out AA/KK. QQ is a slight possibility, but I weigh this less likely.

I believe we're still ahead most of the time and we should lead out. I like a bet of $45 here. Someone with a draw or combo draw could get feisty on us here (with either a call or raise) and I don't like being OOP (which again, I'm assuming we are)

But if we bet $45 and get called by one player that's $90 + $66 = $156 in the pot and we have $140 for a turn shove.
I'm in BB. I had in in the thread title but somehow neglected to put it in the body of the thread.
 
Preflop: I size a raise bigger than normal because jacks are hard enough to play normally and this hand we'll be out of position. $25 "on top" or $30 all day.

Flop: This looks like a good flop, but it is wet enough that most turns are going to suck. (three to a straight, two to a flush is wet in my mind) Again I am going to bet bigger than normal because this hand only gets harder after the flop. $66 in the pot? I bet $75 and hope everyone folds.

DrStrange
 
Preflop: I size a raise bigger than normal because jacks are hard enough to play normally and this hand we'll be out of position. $25 "on top" or $30 all day.

Flop: This looks like a good flop, but it is wet enough that most turns are going to suck. (three to a straight, two to a flush is wet in my mind) Again I am going to bet bigger than normal because this hand only gets harder after the flop. $66 in the pot? I bet $75 and hope everyone folds.

DrStrange
I thought about betting $70+ for the same reasons but my only question is after betting 40% of our stack are we better off just shoving? Are we going to be able to fold the turn at that point if one of the (many) scare cards comes?
 
Preflop: I size a raise bigger than normal because jacks are hard enough to play normally and this hand we'll be out of position. $25 "on top" or $30 all day.

I can agree with a $30 raise, given we're OOP. When I originally posted $25 I was thinking we were acting in LP after the MP caller.

]Flop: This looks like a good flop, but it is wet enough that most turns are going to suck. (three to a straight, two to a flush is wet in my mind) Again I am going to bet bigger than normal because this hand only gets harder after the flop. $66 in the pot? I bet $75 and hope everyone folds.

DrStrange

I'm not sure I can get on board with this approach. We're essentially pushing out hands we beat that we want to call, and we're guaranteeing we go broke against someone who is ahead of us with a set. Seems like we should be doing the exact opposite, imho
 
You missed your quad draw. Time to let it go.

If you insist on not taking my sound advice, then you could always opt for the check-jam scenario.

If leading out then I'm also curious what is the main factor in choosing a bet size?
Do we want to pot-commit to the hand or leave options for the turn?
 
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You missed your quad draw. Time to let it go.

If you insist on not taking my sound advice, then you could always opt for the check-jam scenario.

If leading out then I'm also curious what is the main factor in choosing a bet size?
Do we want to pot-commit to the hand or leave options for the turn?
I think that's my main question because we are shallow enough where pot commitment is coming fast
 
Raises big with JJ is one of my favorite preflop tells to spot. The only problem is that for it to work, you need to be reasonably sure that you have fold equity. OOP vs a straddler and a limper, I don't think we have much.

We flopped pretty good for jacks, and there isn't any good reason to check. Bet $45.
 
Curious that the "very aggressive" UTG +2 limps the straddle. My range for doing this in his spot is pretty much exclusively A/rag sooted. Maybe K/rag sooted if my read is that the table is a bunch of passive fish.

Preflop: make it $25.

Flop: bet $50. Shove any non-ace non-spade turn.
 
So I lead out for $50. Sleepy Straddle UTG thinks for a while (looks like he is deciding between calling and folding) and decides to call. Aggro UTG+2 immediately shoves all in for $162 more.

The effective pot (since he has me covered) is now $351 ($66 + 3x $50 + $135(my remaining stack)) and UTG still live behind me. Thoughts?
 
Call expect to be up against a draw and expect variance (before the good doctor can say it)
 
Hey! That's my line.

Yes hero has to call here, there are a huge number of combo draw + pair and pure drawing hands along with a few sets, two pair and straights. Hero can easily be a dog to the best of these draws, but even so he isn't a huge dog.

Expect variance -=- DrStrange
 
I called, fairly quickly. Straddler tanked folded :7h::6s: face up. UTG+2 says "you're ahead". Turn is :5s:, and utg+2 shows :ks::7s: to take it down.

I think I probably could have raised higher pre-flop, maybe to $25. Other than that I guess variance is going to variance.
 

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