KQo in good possition (1 Viewer)

[DrStrange]

We are playing $1/$1, eight handed. It is a nasty weather night - snow/sleet/ice to the NW, tornados to the NE but just gusty winds and scattered cold showers here. The table mood is happy. We had an experimental chicken Frito pie for dinner that was extra good and a mountain of goodies, yum yum!

Cast of characters:

"SB" has $125. She is on a roller coaster night, more down than up, but lots of variance. Sticky, loose calling station.

"BB" has $35 and is on a sad-sack run of bad play and bad luck. Normally tricky trappy, but at the moment I rate him as volatile since any moment he could wake up and take a last stab to win or go home.

UTG we have Crazy Jr who has $300 and is his normal crazy self. Wildly aggressive, too much air but reads hands with some skill (especially for a level zero/one player)

MP1 folds

MP2 is a TAG/fit fold playing $200. He almost plays ABC TAG preflop but is a bit fit/fold post flop. He is a little loose/passive preflop.

MP3 is a money spewing maniac with $75. One of the weakest spots at the table. Sticky with huge betting tells when bluffing.

Hero is the CO with $175. Hero has had a good night except for one hand where a two step bluff ran into a slow played full house - that didn't work out well.

Button has $50 and is slowly bleeding to death. Semi loose / passive. A little bit stationy post flop but rarely aggressive.

The Hand:

Crazy Jr raises to $6. MP1 folds. MP2 and MP3 call.

Hero has been dealt . Action on Hero, fold, call or raise. If raising how much? Special note - Crazy Jr will not fold to a normal sized three bet. Here has three bet him several times this session and every one got called.

DrStrange

 

[Mr Tree]

No reason to create an inflated pot here. Call and see a flop.

 

[derekdd23]

I call somewhere about 100%

 

[detroitdad]

chicken Frito pie for dinner

I'm having a hard time focusing after reading this. I'm honestly more interested in this than the hand.........for now, lol.
I make a chili chicken salad using chili frito's.........great dish.

anyways

this

No reason to create an inflated pot here. Call and see a flop.

and this

I call somewhere about 100%

 

[DrStrange]

DD - - - it was hard to focus on poker after eating that chicken Frito pie. It was a baked Frito pie, Fritos added late in the process so they were still crispy. We could add diced avocados and sour cream to taste. Serves 12, in theory. In practice, they whole dinner was gone by nine and I had the dishes soaking.

Absolutely a winner, winner, chicken dinner kind of offering.

DrStrange

 

[Ben]

Why wouldn't we want to inflate the pot when we have position, are ahead of the villains' ranges (esp the original raiser) and are up against a guy who has demonstrated that he will call OOP with garbage?

Make it $26 (although I admit, I would often just auto-call in this spot.)

 

[detroitdad]

Why wouldn't we want to inflate the pot when we have position, are ahead of the villains' ranges (esp the original raiser) and are up against a guy who has demonstrated that he will call OOP with garbage?

Make it $26 (although I admit, I would often just auto-call in this spot.)

I'm not opposed to raising here. Since its "crazy jr" we know he will call (which isn't a bad thing). With a name like crazy, what if he re-pops it? I'd rather just call and re-evaluate after the flop.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Crazy Jr may be crazy but he did raise UTG, so I probably wouldn't three bet light too often in this spot. I think Calling>>>>>Folding>Raising. We have position, so lets take advantage of it!

 

[DrStrange]

For what is it worth, Crazy Jr 4-bet hero in almost same situation about two hours previous to this hand - He was UTG+1, Hero held the button. Crazy Jr holds 66, raise to $6, hero makes it $25, Crazy makes it $75.

DrStrange

 

[DrStrange]

I find it interesting no one has made note that KQo is a potential RIO problem and mostly makes a top pair hand in a multi-way pot with medium-deep stacks.

DrStrange

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

So knowing that, would you want to be 4 bet to $75 (with a starting stack of $175) holding KQ? Probably not.

 

[detroitdad]

I find it interesting no one has made note that KQo is a potential RIO problem and mostly makes a top pair hand in a multi-way pot with medium-deep stacks.

DrStrange

Plenty aware of it as I assume most of us are. I still don't mind calling 6 bucks pre flop vs a guy labeled as crazy and seeing what happens. If you flop one pair and it feels dirty you might just have to fold even if its potentially the best hand.

I love playing hands with crazy, insanely aggressive players. Its fun, frustrating, and usually profitable.

 

[Ben]

In that case, yeah just call. I took this:

Here has three bet him several times this session and every one got called.

to mean that he was just auto-calling 3-bets with anything that isn't a top 2% hand (in which case we should definitely 3-bet.)

 

[David O]

Crazy Jr may be crazy but he did raise UTG, so I probably wouldn't three bet light too often in this spot. I think Calling>>>>>Folding>Raising. We have position, so lets take advantage of it!

I call here especially knowing who Crazy Junior is. Call and see flop. Flop is good for hero see what CJ bets.

 

[detroitdad]

In that case, yeah just call. I took this:



to mean that he was just auto-calling 3-bets with anything that isn't a top 2% hand (in which case we should definitely 3-bet.)

I kind of thought the same thing when I initially read it. Then you have to remember, he is "crazy". Crazy usually means unpredictable.

 

[Trihonda]

call

 

[DrStrange]

*** On to the flop ***

Hero calls. Button and BB fold. SB calls. Five way action, $31 in the pot.

Flop is

Before we see the action - what do we think of this flop for Hero's hand?

DrStrange

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

5 ways? Not too great, You have two over cards and 4 outs to the nuts, but with 4 other players you're likely behind, with some of those outs likely dead.

 

[David O]

I am not too impressed by the flop. Hero is last to act and his next move would depend on Crazy Jr. and the other callers as to whether to even be in this hand anymore. If Crazy bets out, what does he bet and how many callers? What are the pot odds when the action gets to the Hero?

 

[Mr Tree]

Not overly fond of the flop at all. Hoping to see a turn as cheaply as possible

 

[Ben]

5 ways? Not too great, You have two over cards and 4 outs to the nuts, but with 4 other players you're likely behind, with some of those outs likely dead.

^^This. If we face a tiny bet we may be able to call and hope for a J (a Q is decent for us as well - not so much a K), but we do not have good equity against villains' ranges and this is not a spot where I ever expect to be able to get sticky players off of any top pair (or even 2nd pair) hand. Certainly I expect to see a decent size bet from someone ahead of us, and will be folding.

 

[Trihonda]

What Ben said...

 

[DrStrange]

*** Ok, now what? ***

Hard as it is to believe, everyone checks to Hero. $31 in the pot, five way action

Action on Hero - check or bet? If betting how much?

DrStrange

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Check, don't think we're bluffing 4 guys off the pot and a good chance crazy check raises. Let's see if we can hit that jack for free.

 

[Trihonda]

I think checking might be the wiser course of action... But can we really put crazy on a monster, where he'd C/R us? If he's hits/beats that board, is he gonna c-bet?

So unless my live read says something's fishy, would we consider a $20 bet here?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

He's crazy, he doesn't need a monster to check raise us. And we have king high.

 

[Trihonda]

I don't think you C/R without a monster or complete air (where K high might be good). I just don't see him on a monster here. But I could be wrong.

 

[David O]

I would say check and get a free card. With Crazy you may get reraised with air! If you check raise you would need to make it big enough to get everyone off their hand which I do not think will happen. If you make a pot sized bet you are invested more than you want to be for a 3 outer and now have to hope for a J.

 

[Trihonda]

I did say checking was the wiser choice

 

[Ben]

In most normal situations (i.e. against less-sticky villains,) we should bet here. If we bet and get called we'll get checked to again on the turn and get to take a free card then, combined with a LITTLE fold equity plus the chance to bluff later on certain runouts.

Against this crew with basically zero fold equity either now or on future streets, just check and hope for a nice turn.