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colter ripton said:
The seller was a business. Someone who stages and sells estates for a living. So no, they wernt left to her by a loved one. In my opinion, especially in this case, the seller should have done some research to know what she is selling. These also were not bought for pennies. The price was north of 1200 bucks, which is a significant amount to send to someone who you are not sure is going to follow through on the deal.
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I didn't realize they were being sold by some company. That's a little different. But I still think if you're willing to take advantage of someone else's ignorance about the value of their chips, then you don't have a right to be upset if someone else comes along later and "snipes" them for market value or for significantly more money. You win some and you lose some. I'm also not saying you should feel obligated to have to pay the seller market value either, but you should just accept the fact that you are going to lose out on a lot of these deals if you don't. Especially when you're offering pennies on the dollar. And yes, even $1200 for this set is pennies on the dollar. Depending on the breakdown and condition, a full 1600 chip set of these could easily be worth $10k or more.
 
Sad sad story...

Chipping has always been a 'fight club'...and the competition for nice chips (on & off the board) was always been fierce.
But we had rules...

Now, we have members playing UFC in a boxing match...and would keep whale punching a man that's down, fish hooks, the works....
When the money has transfered, deal is done, the vultures should back down and accept the loss.

We used to be happy (and jeluz ;) ) when some of the hunter made a legit big score...
 
RainmanTrail said:
I didn't realize they were being sold by some company. That's a little different. But I still think if you're willing to take advantage of someone else's ignorance about the value of their chips, then you don't have a right to be upset if someone else comes along later and "snipes" them for market value or for significantly more money. You win some and you lose some. I'm also not saying you should feel obligated to have to pay the seller market value either, but you should just accept the fact that you are going to lose out on a lot of these deals if you don't. Especially when you're offering pennies on the dollar. And yes, even $1200 for this set is pennies on the dollar. Depending on the breakdown and condition, a full 1600 chip set of these could easily be worth $10k or more.
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To a certain extent, I do agree with you — but if it's a business specialising in estate sales, then surely it's up to them to do the research and find out the true value of what they're selling? Smacks of laziness if they don't bother doing so, in my opinion. Likewise, I don't see that as taking advantage of, personally.

If someone from PCF has intentionally sabotaged this sale, however, then it's hard not to agree with @Thomacetti: this thing sucks ass and it damages the community — big time.

I'd probably vote to abolish this eBay / Facebook Marketplace section of PCF, personally, as during my limited time here, it seems to have done more harm than good. People will find the chips and bring them to the community without it.
 
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jr8719 said:
To a certain extent, I do agree with you — but if it's a business specialising in estate sales, then surely it's up to them to do the research and find out the true value of what they're selling? Smacks of laziness if they don't bother doing so, in my opinion.

If someone from PCF has intentionally sabotaged this sale, however, then it's hard not to agree with @Thomacetti: this thing sucks ass and it damages the community — big time.

I'd probably vote to abolish this eBay / Facebook Marketplace section of PCF, personally, as during my limited time here, it seems to have done more harm than good. People will find the chips and bring them to the community without it.
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Sorry, I’ve got to disagree. That section has never done any harm. Only the jackasses who take information from there in the wrong way and use it to screw others over are doing harm.
And those same people will do harm no matter what you abolish or cancel. They will just move to the next thread that looks like they can make a buck.

People are bad, not electronic pulses. Fix the people and you can have nice stuff again.
 
ekricket said:
Sorry, I’ve got to disagree. That section has never done any harm. Only the jackasses who take information from there in the wrong way and use it to screw others over are doing harm.
And those same people will do harm no matter what you abolish or cancel. They will just move to the next thread that looks like they can make a buck.

People are bad, not electronic pulses. Fix the people and you can have nice stuff again.
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That's true — but I just think it's a lot harder to fix the people / jackasses, nowadays. Like you said, however, they'll probably find a way to do so even without this section of PCF.
 
jr8719 said:
That's true — but I just think it's a lot harder to fix the people / jackasses, nowadays. Like you said, however, they'll probably find a way to do so even without this section of PCF.
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It’s like the memes thread and the WTF thread that are fixing to go away -people can’t honor a simple “no politics” rule so one less thing to read. But it’s “so cute” that rules don’t mean anything to them.
 
FordPickup92 said:
Butterfinger

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Josh Kifer said:
It's kinda why i do it.... I'm like a PCF Snickers... Sometimes, ya need a break.
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Sprouty said:
Kit kat?
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Honestly it's also understandable why several people are going after these deals. It's pretty much free money most of the time, and hundreds or even thousands of dollars is considered a substantial amount of money for many people.

I do agree that it is shitty to intentionally sabotage someones deal, but I also think that it's not necessarily FAIR that the first guy to see a listing online is ENTITLED to that find.

This is a kit more complex imo.
 
This whole thread makes me doubly triply glad that I am not attracted to older poker chips. Sorry for Dan, though, who had a contract, which doesn't seem to mean much these days, PCF or elsewhere.

Old fart digression: KitKats were stupendous when they were made only in England, by Rowntree. Since Rowntree sold out to Nestle, not so much. Nowadays, IMO, the KitKat Darks are the only ones with any character -- and don't even mention the pathetic KitKat Whites, or any of the other dozen or so abominations made specifically for the Asian market.
 
Marius L said:
Honestly it's also understandable why several people are going after these deals. It's pretty much free money most of the time, and hundreds or even thousands of dollars is considered a substantial amount of money for many people.

I do agree that it is shitty to intentionally sabotage someones deal, but I also think that it's not necessarily FAIR that the first guy to see a listing online is ENTITLED to that find.

This is a kit more complex imo.
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Except he had already paid for said chips. It wasn’t that he saw it first. He found them, contacted the seller, made a deal and paid for them.
 
and not a word about the cards...someone able to pick these up ?
 
There's a lot of gray to these sales in my eyes. I see a hierarchy of moral calculations here, not just one decision. Whether or not someone "saw it first", or already paid means far less to me than whether or not the deal was done in good faith by both parties. That trumps the other two, for me.

To take the "but he already paid" viewpoint here to the extreme, imagine if some lady has a painting in her attic that she knows nothing about. She lists it for $20 in a Craigslist ad for her upcoming estate sale. Johnny on the spot "painting hunter" instantly recognizes it as an original Van Gogh painting worth ~$5,000,000 less than 3 minutes after she posts the listing. He emails her and says that he's been looking for this painting for a long time because it was painted by someone very dear to him. He sends her $20 via Venmo for it + shipping fees. An hour later, a wealthy art collector happens to show up at her estate sale and sees the painting. His jaw falls to the floor and he says "do you realize what you have?! That's a Van Gogh original painting!" The lady says, "Is that good? Someone just sent me $20 for it about an hour ago. I told them I would try to ship it tomorrow." The appraiser responds, "$20??? It's worth millions! Every fine art collector and museum on earth would love to have this in their collection. I could put you in touch with someone who could help you sell it for what it's worth. You might get upwards of $5 million dollars for it at auction, minus some fees. I would give you $4.5 million for it today though." If you still think that $20 Venmo payment is a "done deal", and that she should honor the sale, then I would suggest that it's *your* moral compass that needs tuning, not the wealthy art collector's or the seller's. I'm not saying this is what occurred here, but it's also not that different. I get that the estate sale was being run by some business selling stuff on behalf of the family and not the family itself, and yes, that's a bit different, but she still has an obligation to get as much as she can on behalf of the family who just lost a loved one. I'd be pissed as hell if I was sitting up in my luxury box seats of heaven stadium, looking down as my wife got fleeced by a chipper who gave her $100 for my set of Binion's WSOP chips after I died (or even $1200).
 
Once something is bought and paid for it has a new owner. Period

There isn't really much of a grey area there.

I've sold alot of stuff on here and I usually sell for a little below market because I want a quick sale. I've had people message me multiple times offering more and more money for something I already sold. Thats scummy man any way you look at it. If I was to renig on the deal and sell it to the new person that would be scummy, and the person who makes me offers after I already said it was sold is scummy too.

You might think that dan or me or whoever finds something just lucks into it without much effort, but its hours and hours of searching, its making contacts/cutting deals with people to pick up chips you find. So it sucks when you find something good and pay for it and then someone posts it on pcf and a whole bunch of people go after it knowing full well that it has already been bought and paid for. These people didn't search the entire us, on 5 different platforms, for the last 6 months trying to find this deal. They simply saw an add on pcf and contacted the seller offering more money. There is a difference and its fucking scummy.
 
You Kit Kat crazies need to calm down...and have the best damn bar on the planet, SNICKERS. You know, because “you’re not you when you’re hungry.”

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RainmanTrail said:
There's a lot of gray to these sales in my eyes. I see a hierarchy of moral calculations here, not just one decision. Whether or not someone "saw it first", or already paid means far less to me than whether or not the deal was done in good faith by both parties. That trumps the other two, for me.

To take the "but he already paid" viewpoint here to the extreme, imagine if some lady has a painting in her attic that she knows nothing about. She lists it for $20 in a Craigslist ad for her upcoming estate sale. Johnny on the spot "painting hunter" instantly recognizes it as an original Van Gogh painting worth ~$5,000,000 less than 3 minutes after she posts the listing. He emails her and says that he's been looking for this painting for a long time because it was painted by someone very dear to him. He sends her $20 via Venmo for it + shipping fees. An hour later, a wealthy art collector happens to show up at her estate sale and sees the painting. His jaw falls to the floor and he says "do you realize what you have?! That's a Van Gogh original painting!" The lady says, "Is that good? Someone just sent me $20 for it about an hour ago. I told them I would try to ship it tomorrow." The appraiser responds, "$20??? It's worth millions! Every fine art collector and museum on earth would love to have this in their collection. I could put you in touch with someone who could help you sell it for what it's worth. You might get upwards of $5 million dollars for it at auction, minus some fees. I would give you $4.5 million for it today though." If you still think that $20 Venmo payment is a "done deal", and that she should honor the sale, then I would suggest that it's *your* moral compass that needs tuning, not the wealthy art collector's or the seller's. I'm not saying this is what occurred here, but it's also not that different. I get that the estate sale was being run by some business selling stuff on behalf of the family and not the family itself, and yes, that's a bit different, but she still has an obligation to get as much as she can on behalf of the family who just lost a loved one. I'd be pissed as hell if I was sitting up in my luxury box seats of heaven stadium, looking down as my wife got fleeced by a chipper who gave her $100 for my set of Binion's WSOP chips after I died (or even $1200).
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What if this little old lady took the Van Gogh to an art house and they told her it was worth $1.2 million. And someone paid $1.2 million for it. And before he picked it up someone came in and said that is worth $4-5 million? Is it still ok to shaft the original buyer who put out a lot of money and put it in the little old lady’s pocket?

You’re $20 and $5M example isn’t really applicable to this sale. The estate sale company obviously knew they had some value. They had to have done some research to price them at $1200. Is it Dan’s fault he offered the asking price and it was accepted.

Had they been offered for $50 or $100 your hypothetical might be more apt but the seller and buyer had a good faith transaction. If the little old lady wants to be pissed she should be pissed at the company she contracted to sell them not at the buyer.
 
colter ripton said:
Once something is bought and paid for it has a new owner. Period

There isn't really much of a grey area there
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That is absolutely ridiculous, and remarkably immoral and selfish of you if you honestly believe this. Go read my post above about the $20 Van Gogh painting. If you still think that deal should be honored after reading that then YOU are the problem here.
 
RainmanTrail said:
That is absolutely ridiculous, and remarkably immoral and selfish of you if you honestly believe this. Go read my post above about the $20 Van Gogh painting. If you still think that deal should be honored after reading that then YOU are the problem here.
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Just to be clear, you advocate gong back on your word and shafting people based on value. Good to know when dealing with you. A deal with you isn’t done until the buyer has their chips in hand is what you are saying.
 
RainmanTrail said:
That is absolutely ridiculous, and remarkably immoral and selfish of you if you honestly believe this. Go read my post above about the $20 Van Gogh painting. If you still think that deal should be honored after reading that then YOU are the problem here.
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Travis your full of shit man.

You come in the thread not knowing anything about the chips or the sale or anything else in this situation and start guaranteeing that noone called or made offers, then you start making up different scenarios and say they were left to her by a loved one and blah blah blah I would pay more, the make up some bullshit scenario about a 5 million dollar painting. Really?

You dont have to be right on every fucking situation dude. Especially when you don't know anything about it.

How much you pay for those Wynn chips?
Did you go back to the seller and give them more money after you sold them on here for huge profit? Did you go refund the lakeshore seller after you auctioned off your set for huge profit? If you did i apologize if not then shut the fuck up and mind your business.
 
I agree that it would be scummy to renege on a sale that was done in good faith by both parties just because you have a slightly better offer now. If you sell a rack of chips for $300 then renege because someone else offered you $350 just as you were about to drop it off at the post office, then you're a bitch. Period.

But if one party is getting completely fleeced by the other party and the one getting fleeced is made aware of that fact before the goods change hands, then it's entirely different. That changes everything. You simply can't argue against my $20 Van Gogh painting example without exposing yourself as a complete asshole.

Same would apply here. If some new member showed up with a 2,000 chip hoard of brand new Mapes thinking they were worth $100 because that's what he saw "poker chips" selling for on eBay, and he posted a for sale ad at $100, your "dibs" doesn't mean jack shit just because you saw them first. It still doesn't mean jack shit even if you already sent the $100 because you knew damn well that this guy was going to find out in a matter of minutes that what he has is worth $20k+. Sorry, not sorry, but you knew that your $100 was completely taking advantage of this dude when you sent it. Don't act like it comes with a moral obligation on his part to honor it. That's bullshit and fuck anyone who thinks it's not.
 

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