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[Wils]

Hi folks. Been playing with the Japanese Matsui chip design tool... Question is, if I wanted to get some made, what would be the best route? I don't know if there is a minimum order of 10,000 chips for example, or even if they're in the home consumer market.

Can anyone shed any light or give any other pointers? Or even suggest some stock Matsuis, if such things exist?

 

[stocky]

Paging @SixSpeedFury he may be able to help with contact info.

On a side note have you handle matsui chips before? I haven't but all reports say they are very slippery.

 

[links_slayer]

You can buy them the last time I checked. No minimums but prices aren't all that cheap - plus the artwork fee for each denom if the denom is on the decal instead of the chip. Shipping is also kinda steep. I think Pinball was considering a set and may have more solid/current info.

 

[SixSpeedFury]

1. Like with everything poker everything related, get samples, and get a feel of them. They are slippery indivually, but they stack like bricks. (sorta by using "static", hard to explain)

2. There is a minimum required, 100 to be exact. (unless you're are balla, this is what usually steers people away, but people spend 4 digits on chips, so what do I know lol)

3. MSK is another manufacturer in the market. Their work is ok, but the price and no minimum required compensates for that.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Don't quote me on any number here, but, IIRC... they don't really have a minimum and they charge a reasonable amount per chip - $1.30, last I heard, but you can email them directly to find out - the catch is that they charged a fixed setup/art fee per denom/color combo of $300. So your cost is another $300 for each denom in the set. If getting 100 of a denom, that's an extra $3 per chip. If you're getting 1000 of it, then it's an extra $.30 per chip.

On top of that, you'll pay shipping from their plant in Korea - probably close to $300 for a chip set just over 1000 pieces. So a 4-denom set of 1200 chips might cost $1500 in fees and shipping, which is about $1.25 per chip before the actual per-chip cost of $1.30, for roughly $2.55 a chip.

On the other hand, a 10,000 chip order wouldn't raise the shipping cost ten times... maybe it would cost $1,500? So $2700 in fees plus shipping for a 4-denom set of 10,000 chips means $.27 per chip in shipping fees, or a per-piece of roughly $1.57.

All numbers are SWAGs, but it gives you an idea.

 

[Wils]

Wow. Okay maybe I need to downsize my requirements. Shame really as the chip designer tool is rock solid. Maybe I'll just take screenshots of my designs, cut them out and stick 'em on some dice chips.

 

[stocky]

Wow. Okay maybe I need to downsize my requirements. Shame really as the chip designer tool is rock solid. Maybe I'll just take screenshots of my designs, cut them out and stick 'em on some dice chips.

Price really isn't that bad if you take advantage of the denom molds. The only problem iirc is the have no $1 mold option only $2.50 and up. You get charged per inlay not chip

 

[Wils]

I hesitate to say this for fear of looking daft, but which are the denom moulds? Don't see any mention of actual denominations or molds specific to these...

PS page I'm looking at is this:

http://www.matsui-gaming.co.jp/english/casino/colour_design/chip_simulator.html

 

[stocky]

They call the inner ring decal value.

Looks like this. Must've added a $1 because I can't remember there being one before.

 

[Wils]

Ah yes I see, many thanks.

 

[BGinGA]

1. Like with everything poker everything related, get samples, and get a feel of them. They are slippery indivually, but they stack like bricks. (sorta by using "static", hard to explain)

2. There is a minimum required, 100 to be exact. (unless you're are balla, this is what usually steers people away, but people spend 4 digits on chips, so what do I know lol)

I just wanted to point out that SSF is referring to Matsui plaques with his description above, not Matsui chips. Matsui plaques are awesome.

However, the chips are among the most slippery known to man, and create 'exploding stacks' rivaling anything the worst slugged dice chips can generate. I love the way they look, but absolutely hate the way they handle. I never even used my set once before selling it, and I don't miss it one bit. Get samples before you travel down this expensive road.

 

[mipevi]

The only Matsui chips I'd consider getting are the 43mm oversizeds. They stay in stacks considerably better than the 39/40mm chips, but even they are pretty slippy.

 

[Wils]

I just wanted to point out that SSF is referring to Matsui plaques with his description above, not Matsui chips. Matsui plaques are awesome.

However, the chips are among the most slippery known to man, and create 'exploding stacks' rivaling anything the worst slugged dice chips can generate.

A "staxplosion"?

I dunno about these anymore. Looking at the design tool, they have the same design template as the 14g Monte Carlo chips you can get off eBay complete with glitter ring. If they're the same manufacturer, I ain't so enamoured...

 

[SixSpeedFury]

Ah. When I saw that stocky tagged me and I saw the title thread I thought he was referring to the plaques. Disregard my info then.

 

[mipevi]

A "staxplosion"?

I dunno about these anymore. Looking at the design tool, they have the same design template as the 14g Monte Carlo chips you can get off eBay complete with glitter ring. If they're the same manufacturer, I ain't so enamoured...

I guess "staxplosion" is in reference to the middle chips in a stack slipping away, causing all the chips on top and most below to just burst everywhere... Had it happen a few times with Zens.

Not the same manufacturer, Matsui is def high end. Get samples.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Price really isn't that bad if you take advantage of the denom molds.

That's an important point - one inlay design for $300 can be used across many denoms, with the pre-made denomination rings notating the amounts. I was considering doing that, for a time - using $-denominations for the dollar amounts, and the non-dollar versions for fracs, like the 25 for the quarter.

 

[Pinball]

Ive hust ordered at matsui (europe). There is no minimum order but you get 15% surcharged on each denom with less 500 pcs. If you just use the decal ring for showing denom you only pay once the 250$ if you have the sebom printes in the inlay you pay for each denom the 250$ fee.

I suggest to use the decal ring so I could have just 20 bounty chips for the normal chip price.

 

[MeridianFC]

However, the chips are among the most slippery known to man, and create 'exploding stacks' rivaling anything the worst slugged dice chips can generate. I love the way they look, but absolutely hate the way they handle. I never even used my set once before selling it, and I don't miss it one bit. Get samples before you travel down this expensive road.

I would disagree with this but I can't so I won't.

 

[Wils]

Ive hust ordered at matsui (europe). There is no minimum order but you get 15% surcharged on each denom with less 500 pcs. If you just use the decal ring for showing denom you only pay once the 250$ if you have the sebom printes in the inlay you pay for each denom the 250$ fee.

I suggest to use the decal ring so I could have just 20 bounty chips for the normal chip price.

Hey did you get these yet? Do you have pics?

 

[Pinball]

Hey did you get these yet? Do you have pics?

http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/finally-my-matsui-4-crown-chips-have-arrived.8771/#post-114226

just order at matsuieurope.com

 

[Wils]

Very nice!

 

[Wils]

I was thinking something along these lines for myself, problem is I would just need a verrrrry limited number of chips - a micro-micro set of maybe 150 - 200. Don't know if matsui's would be a realistic option...

 

[Pinball]

I was thinking something along these lines for myself, problem is I would just need a verrrrry limited number of chips - a micro-micro set of maybe 150 - 200. Don't know if matsui's would be a realistic option...

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Matsui is good for small orders (as long as you use chips with the inner ring) They have no min. order.