So eliminate 8Txx hand, but you have to put him on monster draws, right? I guess I don't know this player like you, but to me, if the average player is calling a pot bet on the flop but not checkraising, he has all kinds of draws.
So you made a pot-sized bet in case he had two pair to protect against the board pairing? That's four outs if he had two pair (you're a 8:1 favorite) or 9 outs (counting the out you held) if he flopped trips (you're a 4:1 favorite). But if you put him on monster draws, thinking you were a 2:1 favorite isn't outrageous (and you were essentially a 2:1 favorite). Potting turn still gives him proper odds to call as a 2:1 dog. I think I check back turn. I'm not saying you're wrong...I don't have a PLO graph anywhere close to yours, so just trying to get in your head.
What astounds me most is at showdown, you believed you still had the best hand, even though second nuts went to 3,628,824th nuts (all flushes + any combo of QJ + any combo of 8J). Granted, you didn't put any more money in the pot once you were no longer 2nd nuts.
I don't put him on "monster draws" on the flop. He could be drawing to the bottom straight, bottom two pair, gutshots, etc. He's a frequent chaser who likes to gamble and to apply pressure in situations where he believes a scare card hit he can represent.
At showdown I believed when I turned over my hand it was best because my opponent didn't bet the river and the turn and river runout shouldn't be favorable to my opponents calling ranges on the flop AND turn most of the time (i.e. if my opponent on the 679 flop was getting sticky with J8xx trying to spike the 10 on me for instance, he might call the flop, but my turn bet was really large, so he should fold a gutshot draw on the turn).
When he called the turn I figured his most likely holding was top two pair or perhaps a non-nut set that wasn't willing to release. Another possibility is that on the turn he improved by adding a flush draw to his hand (another reason I can't bet the river since it's possible he got there). I wasn't expecting to lose to the hand he showed down on the river essentially.
Good call. You should consider going afield for a few sessions. Just go far away, new people new game and reset to basics. I read your progression from start to here and it’s the players that are getting to you. You are being bothered by non poker stuff at the poker table. It comes from the people at your game, but it’s not what you are there for.
You may not realize it, but your writing reflects how much this affects you. If you are thinking about it at the table it’s a problem.
Just my opinion, I’m not a shrink. But I did watch some episodes of Hamish Macbeth before writing this.
While I agree my frustration/tilt is something that is manifesting, I do believe I'm managing it by not staying in the games if I feel it's going to impact my decisions.
I disagree that the players are what's bothering me. It's the fucking rivers that are bothering me. The majority of my big losses over the past three sessions have just been absolutely horrific rivers that are taking me from spots where I'm 70-90% equity and giving it to me good.
I am happy that the games are still so good that I'm getting spots where players are chasing as significant underdogs against me, that's how I've done so well over the past year and a half of playing. Just having my past three sessions be absolute suckfests where I can't dodge a single river in big pots (and a lot of times these guys aren't even chasing nutted holdings, they're chasing underfulls or bad flushes) is what's really draining. Congrats on chasing your 8-high flush draw to the river, you got me lol
I'm still mulling over whether I intend to hop back on the horse and play again tonight or if I'll go roller skating, work on my D&D campaign ideas, etc.
