Native Lights Casino Primary Chip Sale (5 Viewers)

[MatB]

Personally i think it shameful that people intentionally circumvented the spirit of the sale.

I wouldn't be too hard on them, I personally have only been in 1 other of Jims sales, and was burned at the PayPal finish line too. Only to be told afterwards and openly discussed in the (now deleted) thread that the load up/ pay/ go back for other denom method was the only way you will get the chips you need.

I have not seen or heard anyone discuss this as a bad thing until now.

I wasn't trying to get any chips in this sale, but would probably have used that (now scorned) method.
Like Jim said, it wasn't really made clear either, but moving forward we will all have the knowledge that that method is no longer acceptable.

 

[Psypher1000]

I have not seen or heard anyone discuss this as a bad thing until now.

Ditto. Had I been interested in a set of these I absolutely would have bought a barrel of the $500's or a rack of the fracs first, then returned for the other denoms. Had no idea it was a frowned upon practice until today; in fact, I assumed it was perfectly acceptable. Now we know.

 

[Meddler2]

Ditto. Had I been interested in a set of these I absolutely would have bought a barrel of the $500's or a rack of the fracs first, then returned for the other denoms. Had no idea it was a frowned upon practice until today; in fact, I assumed it was perfectly acceptable. Now we know.

Perhaps limit buyers to one single order on the first day (w limits) followed by a 24hr "freeze" period. Then free-for-all on the 3rd day at increased true market value.

 

[Mac128k]

Regrading people using multiple orders to hit your percentages.

This was never meant to be the practice. All orders were meant to be done as one order. I apologize if this practice happened in the past and we didn't notice it. We would have definitely put a stop to it. The Horseshoe sale was so massive, that frankly I didn't really have too much time to police. This time the abuse was large by a select few. Some people had a separate orders for each denomination. Handling multiple orders and processing refunds is very time consuming. I do it as a courtesy for those who decide to add on to their orders, not to benefit those who exploit the spirit of the rules. Therefore, we have decided to not refund extra shipping, this go round, for those who clearly used this formula to take an unfair advantage in the ordering process. Consider this a loss of the combined shipping benefit. I thought of refunding the orders, but I didn't clearly state you could not do it. Refunding shipping and combining orders is always done as a benefit to you, not a given. If you were just adding on, we will gladly refund your extra shipping costs and combine the orders.

I am not sure what to do on the next 2 releases. The quantities on both are smaller than the Native Lights. I hate only offering sets, as everyone's needs are different.

The next release will be announced only after the Native Lights Primary chips are completely sold out. At this time there are
$1 - 2539
$5 - 15
$25 -13

Thanks and sorry for the trouble.

Jim

Just did my part with a 220 $1 addon
Can’t wait for the next sale!

 

[Mac128k]

$.25 - 380
$.50 - 580
$1 - 7450
$5 - 5770
$25 - 4145
$100 - 2875
$500 - 400

Thanks! Saved me an email. Will be posted to the pokerchip.gallery resouce in the next update.

 

[GoStumpy]

Legally we are The Chip Cage dba The Chip Room. I had a silent partner a few years ago and bought him out. Had to change the name for legal reasons.

Jim

This is an actual photograph of Jim entering a Casino, ready to liquidate them of all their Poker chips... ALL of them.

 

[Jeff]

I suspect that somebody snagged all $500s immediately, then went back and ordered whatever else they needed to justify the percentages.

Just another reason I really dislike this format for selling chips that are in short supply. Works great only if ample quantities are available for everybody.

I'm wondering whether a lottery for position might be more efficient. First orders, then second orders, etc.

 

[GoStumpy]

So... once you're done with your Pumpkin Pie, should we expect the first round of shipping orders tonight, or first thing tomorrow?

JOKING, joking...joking............................... HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYONE INVOLVED! (From Canada lol)

 

[uclaure]

Only 1051 1's to go....

 

[MikeLV]

Well after the fact - I have done my part - 100+ fewer $1's

 

[CHP TD]

so are these sold out yet?

 

[David94sc]

Nope. At least 500 $5’s still available.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Nope. At least 500 $5’s still available.

I think you mean $1's left, the $5's are long sold out.

And there are over 1000 of the $1's left

 

[WedgeRock]

Jim,

I'm not suggesting you send out invoices at all. Just PM the members on the list in order with the super secret paypal link and they have 5 minutes to complete their intended order. If the proper order is received in the time limit, great, move on to the next person on the list. If they delay or if they try and order other than they indicated they would or are allowed to (once chip reserves begin to deplete), transaction null and void, they lose completely for not following the rules, cancel and refund entire order and move on to the next person on the list. Now I might be talking out of my ass here since I don't really know what all takes place on your end, but I just wanted to be clear that I was not suggesting sending out any physical invoices. I picture this all taking place real time over PMs over the course of a few hours. I'm just spit balling ideas here, but you know best and I defer to your expertise. Anyway, great chips and glad I was able to grab my sample set.

This is a crazy amount of time for @TheChipRoom to commit... If you allow 5 minutes per transaction and there are 25 people on the list, that's 2 hours. 50 people, that's 4 hours. 100 people, 8 hours.

And if you are the 50th person in line, are you gonna sit by the computer for 4 hours, waiting for your turn?

EDIT: Not crapping on brainstorming to find a better way... I just don't think this is it.

 

[krafticus]

This is a crazy amount of time for @TheChipRoom to commit... If you allow 5 minutes per transaction and there are 25 people on the list, that's 2 hours. 50 people, that's 4 hours. 100 people, 8 hours.

And if you are the 50th person in line, are you gonna sit by the computer for 4 hours, waiting for your turn?

EDIT: Not crapping on brainstorming to find a better way... I just don't think this is it.

That, and not all of us have access to email, or this site during the day.

 

[David94sc]

I think you mean $1's left, the $5's are long sold out.

And there are over 1000 of the $1's left

Correct. I meant 1’s.

 

[FDLmold]

If somebody subsidizes them a decent percentage, I will add a rack of ones to my order. I am willing to make this sacrifice for the good of the community and getting the next sale here more quickly!

 

[TheChipRoom]

The limitations were meant to be on each order, not on all orders. Any order that violates the limitations, were always refunded in the past. We will honor the orders in total, but every individual order that violated the limitations, their entire order will not be eligible for the combined shipping discount.

Until we can come up with a better solution, the next sales (Native Lights Secondary and Tonkawa) are going to eBay.

Stay tuned.

Jim

 

[manamongkids]

Welp, it was fun while it lasted

 

[justincarothers]

The limitations were meant to be on each order, not on all orders. Any order that violates the limitations, were always refunded in the past. We will honor the orders in total, but every individual order that violated the limitations, their entire order will not be eligible for the combined shipping discount.

Until we can come up with a better solution, the next sales (Native Lights Secondary and Tonkawa) are going to eBay.

Stay tuned.

Jim

Thanks to all you folks who couldn't follow simple rules and just be grateful that Jim was helping us all by what he was doing. Life is not fair but Jim did his level best to make it so we could all benefit. Now you have messed that up and will have to may more for your chips. Hope you are all happy.

 

[Jagamov]

Hey Jim (@TheChipRoom),

I have no dog in this fight as I did not buy any, but I will say this:

Your sales are fair and your prices always seems pretty darn reasonable. Every company I know reserves the right to sell how they want and just because you didn't specifically account for this loophole doesn't mean it still shouldn't be dealt with.

I say anyone who took advantage of the spirit of the rules and your generosity at bringing us these chips first (before eBay), should have their complete orders canceled and the extra chips should be offered to members who followed the rules, but couldn't get what they needed because of that.

I'm sure nobody here wants to see chips go to eBay before giving us a chance to get them.

Anyway. Thanks for your efforts. Always cool to see new chips enter the market.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Realistically for 95% of the people that wanted the $500 or 25c chips they will be paying the same price.

There were so few chips to go around that if someone wants them and weren't incredibly lucky to get them in the initial sale they will be paying secondary market prices anyways.

I could see this arguement if there were 5,000 of the $500 chip and someone somehow bought them all to flip later.

How many people here planned in ordering a full rack? My guess is a lot more than 4.

 

[arch3r]

This is a crazy amount of time for @TheChipRoom to commit... If you allow 5 minutes per transaction and there are 25 people on the list, that's 2 hours. 50 people, that's 4 hours. 100 people, 8 hours.

And if you are the 50th person in line, are you gonna sit by the computer for 4 hours, waiting for your turn?

EDIT: Not crapping on brainstorming to find a better way... I just don't think this is it.

No worries about crapping on the idea. I put it out there to get feedback - good and bad.

That being said,

He could restrict the 'lottery' to just the top 15-20, reducing the time commitment, but still allowing for some lucky 'winners' to to get in on the pre-sale. And then there is not an issue of #50 on the list waiting around for hours. Restricting it to 20 pre-sales makes it at most an hour and a half time commitment. Consider now that Jim needs to review each and every order he got yesterday and combine them to verify that the percentages per household we're adhered to. Not sure what he does if someone's ordered over the allotted amount? Cancel the entire order or just reduce the chips ordered so it meets the percentages? And all that's gotta take a bunch of time I would think? Instead, he would be verifying the pre-sales orders as they came in, controlling who orders what. in real time. And if he restricted it to a top-N people in the pre-sale, he could then probably do away with the percentage restrictions for the open buy (since I would assume that most, if not all, the most desirable chips would be claimed already).

Again, I'm just spit-balling here. I'm sure there are other holes in this suggestion, but wanted to put it out there to start a dialog to see if there was possibly a better way to handle these small lot sales.

 

[guinness]

Seriously just dice them into 500-1000 piece sets and blow em out. Include the good with the bad in each set to ensure sales then let the secondary market fight out the aftermath.

 

[chubbyone]

Seriously just dice them into 500-1000 piece sets and blow em out. Include the good with the bad in each set to ensure sales then let the secondary market fight out the aftermath.

If he’s not gaining the good feeling of helping out chippers here, why should he forgo potential profits and blow them out? Perfectly acceptable for him to reap the secondary market value.

 

[ChipEnvy]

End of an era for sure. I am not saying this as a bad thing, but many people would join just to participate in the sales. It was bound to get too big to manage.

Combine that with the the drama in this thread and others, as well as the ease of use eBay offers, it seems like a no brainer. On the plus side to thechiproom, Jim will get market value for his chips, and it will end the discussion about flippers.

 

[TheChipRoom]

I have always tried to offer chips to the Poker Chip Forum members at reasonable prices so they can have great sets for themselves. I really appreciate everyone's support over the years! I really do! It has been a great relationship, I offer you below market prices on the chips and you buy lots of them! Win/Win for everybody! I had to start putting limits and percentages on the chips, because people would buy up all the higher denominations, only to resell later for a profit. That was not the intent to offer them here at great prices. Flippers ruin the chance for regular members to get a great deal. I know it's a little hypocritical for me to denounce flippers, but I consider alot of you here friends and I do this as a thanks for being such great customers. Now people have figured out a new way to gain an unfair advantage over those who followed the rules, which most of you did. I know the sales can be crazy, exciting and sometimes frustrating, but must remain fair to all my great customers here. I will definitely be selling on my thread here again, but until I can figure something out, I will be using eBay.

Thank you for all of your support!

Jim

 

[pedrofisk]

I just ordered one sample set but have been following the threads closely as it is my first Chip Room sale. Although I have made many purchases here in the classifieds thanks to the original acquisitions and sales by the Chip Room.

Jim, I can only rightfully speak for myself but I want to say for me you're a valued member of the community and I appreciate all the effort to source, acquire and sell the chips. I look forward to doing business again with the Chip Room in the future whatever the sales venue.

Thanks @TheChipRoom !

 

[Ben]

I suggest that anyone wanting Jim to go to a bunch of extra time and effort to make the sales more "fair" should pay him for the privilege.

Fifty bucks non-refundable to jump the line and get into the "lottery" or whatever for your pick of what you want up to some pre-determined amount. Depending on how many people pay you still may not get exactly what you want, but you'll have a "fair" shot. The "entry fee" without guaranteed return would keep out at least some of the shoe clerks and crumb bums who are looking to flip or buying a bunch of chips just because they happen to have money, fast fingers and good internet (i.e. just because they can.) Anything left over goes into a free-for-all sale as normal. Jim gets paid for his extra few hours time to deal with it, and nobody can bitch afterwards.

 

[justincarothers]

I have always tried to offer chips to the Poker Chip Forum members at reasonable prices so they can have great sets for themselves. I really appreciate everyone's support over the years! I really do! It has been a great relationship, I offer you below market prices on the chips and you buy lots of them! Win/Win for everybody! I had to start putting limits and percentages on the chips, because people would buy up all the higher denominations, only to resell later for a profit. That was not the intent to offer them here at great prices. Flippers ruin the chance for regular members to get a great deal. I know it's a little hypocritical for me to denounce flippers, but I consider alot of you here friends and I do this as a thanks for being such great customers. Now people have figured out a new way to gain an unfair advantage over those who followed the rules, which most of you did. I know the sales can be crazy, exciting and sometimes frustrating, but must remain fair to all my great customers here. I will definitely be selling on my thread here again, but until I can figure something out, I will be using eBay.

Thank you for all of your support!

Jim

Thanks Jim

Not please everyone just shut up! You act like it's Jim's responsibility to take care of each of you. He's does a good job and we are all fortunate for it. Good luck with your sales Jim. You will make even more money and you deserve it