Omaha hi/low split - 8s9TsT in the CO (1 Viewer)

[Jimulacrum]

So true. Someone could be in there with something as weak as 3s4d5c9s.

Oddly enough, despite my previous post about PLO8, that's a hand I would probably never play outside the blinds in a loose fixed- or spread-limit O8 game. Nit-tight preflop play is the name of the game in these situations. Once you're in, same idea. Keep it tight until you've got a real monster, and then value town.

I used to play at a place up here that had a regular $2/$4 limit O8 game. It was the loosest game I have ever seen. Situations like this one were common and did make it worth playing some high-only hands. You're essentially looking to spike a lock overfull and then harvest an insane amount of bets that are dead or can only win the low. Of course, 89TT isn't quite strong enough for this purpose, hence my recommendation to fold it preflop, but now that we have top set, it's a legit draw.

 

[courage]

You guys are tarding up the Dr's thread with logic.

 

[DrStrange]

*** on to the turn ***

Hero flats $2, so do two other calling stations. Four way action, $12 in the pot. Hero holds

Turn is: < >

Two checks and the same guy bets $4. Now he has a made hand, no telling what.

Action on Hero, call, fold, raise?

DrStrange

 

[Jimulacrum]

That's a less-than-good card.

There's $16 in the pot, and it's $4 to call, but we can only win half now, so it's really 2:1 instead of 4:1.

If no one else stays in, we can't possibly make anything else because the bettor is all but guaranteed to have a low.

If we get one overcall, it's still only 2.5:1. If we get two, 3:1. The straight draw is done, and we're a 3.4:1 dog to fill up.

Even two optimistic assumptions into it, we're still not quite getting odds, and that's assuming no one raises or anything else goes wrong.

Fold.

 

[mipevi]

Yeah, not the card you were looking for. You just gotta think a low and a flush are out there now. If you had relative position, and the two stations called, you might be able to call with implied odds for the river when you hit. But now that's not the case, fold.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Muck it without a 2nd thought

 

[Ronoh]

Pretty sure I am folding here to a max bet of four dollars roughly zero percent of the time. Wrong play? Sure... but I guarantee I have more fun playing cards than you guys who always/only do what the math tells you to do when facing putting four bucks in the pot. A monkey could do that

 

[detroitdad]

Pretty sure I am folding here to a max bet of four dollars roughly zero percent of the time. Wrong play? Sure... but I guarantee I have more fun playing cards than you guys who always/only do what the math tells you to do when facing putting four bucks in the pot. A monkey could do that

I agree. I'm calling as well. As @mike32 says. I'd watch monkeys fuck for 4 bucks (well, he usually says it on a limped pot, but same thing applies in this situation I believe).

 

[Ben]

Very close either way; the fact that villain is firing again on that card strongly implies that he made a low, and certainly doesn't have to have made a flush as well with it. He could and should be firing with something like A235r, exactly to get rid of hands like ours, and probably checks that hand on the river if it doesn't improve further. The two stations behind make things sticky for us - they also don't have to have flushes, although odds are that one of the three does. We still have our boat draw to trump everything. I probably call for $4, although maybe that's a mistake. If so, it's a tiny mistake.

 

[jbutler]

Easiest muck of all time, but given this post, I'm thinking folding wasn't in your repertoire that night

 

[DrStrange]

*** Last chance ***

Hero calls, everyone else folds (which is almost astonishing) Heads up, $20 in the pot.

River is < >

Villain bets $4. Fold or call?

 

[jbutler]

I mean fuck it at this point, right?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

This whole hand is just one bad decision snowballing into another bad decision. Fold pre

 

[Anthony Martino]

There's $24 in the pot, hero needs to call $4 so one might assume they're getting 6:1 odds, but you have to factor in that we're likely playing for half the pot. If we call, we're doing so because we believe villain is just betting a nut low and doesn't have the flush.

There's a ridiculously tiny possibility that we scoop against Villian who has a weaker set than us, but overall I think we're just spewing money on the turn and river if we're sticking around.

 

[Forty4]

There's $24 in the pot, hero needs to call $4 so one might assume they're getting 6:1 odds, but you have to factor in that we're likely playing for half the pot. If we call, we're doing so because we believe villain is just betting a nut low and doesn't have the flush.

There's a ridiculously tiny possibility that we scoop against Villian who has a weaker set than us, but overall I think we're just spewing money on the turn and river if we're sticking around.

we have a straight now 7-8-9-10-J, not that I think that changes anything for you.

 

[jbutler]

we have a straight now 7-8-9-10-J

True, but honestly a straight and a set of tens is exactly the same hand.

 

[Forty4]

True, but honestly a straight and a set of tens is exactly the same hand.

Agreed, I was just pointing it out because he said that they hold a weaker set than us.

 

[Anthony Martino]

damn, missed that. Yes, but we're still playing for half the pot either way

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

In theory we could be getting quartered by something like A-3-8-9

 

[snooptodd]

I'm assuming that the "right" answer in this hand is raise to get the other person holding the straight out to avoid being quartered ...

 

[Forty4]

Yes, I'm figuring he's got the low locked with :3h the question is and in my mind completely reasonable that he has another low heart for the flush as well, something like .

 

[DrStrange]

Another possibility - villain holds the nut flush for high only. Say

 

[Jimulacrum]

Somehow we've managed to improve without really improving.

I was going to try to fold here, but I've tried to fold three times this hand and failed, so fuck it, I call.

 

[DrStrange]

*** Results ***

Hero calls and gets shown :3h

A fine example of how a $0.50 call can lead to a $10 loss.

I'd rate this:
Preflop: D+ (a C if hero demonstrates the ability to fold later in the hand.
Flop: A I prefer the call hoping to get a massively multi-way pot.
Turn: F Hero is getting free rolled or worse most times
River: B+ Hero is getting 3-1 odds ($4 to win half of $24) that villain has only a low. I think that is a solid proposition.

Still would have been easiest to fold preflop -=- DrStrange