PAHWM: $2/$5 Pocket K's. (2 Viewers)

[Pesto628]

Totally understand that, and it's fair enough... I would personally pick other value hands to balance my range there, like some 2P combos and even sneaky big pairs that flatted the flop. Again, if there is suggestion that Hero should fold all his big pairs on the flop, how balanced one should really be?

The problem is many of your 2P combos don’t continue to this 3bet preflop UTG vs. CO. FWIW villains raise was too large on the flop which is why I folded more of my Overpairs then normal. If you think about in villains eyes though....if every time you raised in this spot you have a set, it’s easy to fold an overpair. But if some of the time you raise here with air, he has to call you down with his overpairs more often. I think it’s ok to just call and never raise here also, as long as you keep it balanced.

 

[JustinInMN]

Sorry to be so forward, but the suspense is driving me batty.

 

[gopherblue]

Sorry, here is the result....

Setting: Must move 2/5 Game, full table.

Background: Villan just sat down at the table less than an orbit ago. Generally unknown to me other than he knows I like to gamble it up.

Hand History:
Thus far he has raised 3 hands already during the first orbit. Once he CB flop and took the pot down HU, one I 3bet him and he folded and the other he called a flop bet/folded turn.

Stacks:
Villan: $750
Hero: Covers

Hero Hand:

Preflop Action: Villian is UTG and opens for $15, one caller to Hero in the CO, Hero makes it $55 to go, Villian calls, caller folds. HU to the flop.

Flop ($132):
Villian check, Hero bets $80, Villian makes it $250 to go, Hero calls.

Turn ($632):
Villian checks, Hero checks

River ($632):
Villian shoves for $445, Hero insta-folds.

Villain shows , collects $1 from everyone at table.

Hero goes on world-tilt and punches old lady in wheelchair playing slots.

 

[JustinInMN]

Sorry, here is the result....

Setting: Must move 2/5 Game, full table.

Background: Villan just sat down at the table less than an orbit ago. Generally unknown to me other than he knows I like to gamble it up.

Hand History:
Thus far he has raised 3 hands already during the first orbit. Once he CB flop and took the pot down HU, one I 3bet him and he folded and the other he called a flop bet/folded turn.

Stacks:
Villan: $750
Hero: Covers

Hero Hand:

Preflop Action: Villian is UTG and opens for $15, one caller to Hero in the CO, Hero makes it $55 to go, Villian calls, caller folds. HU to the flop.

Flop ($132):
Villian check, Hero bets $80, Villian makes it $250 to go, Hero calls.

Turn ($632):
Villian checks, Hero checks

River ($632):
Villian shoves for $445, Hero insta-folds.

Villain shows , collects $1 from everyone at table.

Hero goes on world-tilt and punches old lady in wheelchair playing slots.

Hahahaha. We'll see if that's the story @Payback will tell.

 

[Steve Birrer]

How did you fold a check-check turn?

I meant to say that I had already folded post flop.

 

[Jimulacrum]

The suspense is killing me.

 

[Rhodeman77]

if he is as LAG as you think I make a crying call. Sets are hard to make and that is what he is trying to rep. There are to many other hands he could have here that we are beating.

 

[Payback]

Sorry folks.... Had to go to orientation for my son's preschool tonight. Very odd sitting on the other side of the table. Ugh they grow up so fast!


Here's the results of the hand:


Setting: Must move 2/5 Game, full table.

Background: Villan just sat down at the table less than an orbit ago. Generally unknown to me other than he knows I like to gamble it up.

Hand History:
Thus far he has raised 3 hands already during the first orbit. Once he CB flop and took the pot down HU, one I 3bet him and he folded and the other he called a flop bet/folded turn.

Stacks:
Villan: $750
Hero: Covers

Hero Hand:

Preflop Action: Villian is UTG and opens for $15, one caller to Hero in the CO, Hero makes it $55 to go, Villian calls, caller folds. HU to the flop.

Flop ($132):
Villian check, Hero bets $80, Villian makes it $250 to go, Hero calls.

Turn ($632):
Villian checks, Hero checks

River ($632):
Villian shoves for $445, Hero snap calls and before the cards are shown immediately asks which he's beat by a straight or a full house.

Villian rolls over:

Spoiler

Now for a bit of a twist!!!

Spoiler

I was the villian in the hand, not the hero! :wideeyed:::wideeyed_O:rage:

I portrayed this from my opponents perspective throughout to see if the line/bluff I took was credible enough to be profitable. On the flop, I need it to work about 55% of the time for that to be the case and the shove in the river needs about 40% of the time to be profitable.

As far as ranges go that flop hits my raise/call line PF much harder than it hits his 3bet range which is why I decided to CR. I could have 66 here through AA plus 56 suited on up plus some Ax suited combos. So all straights, sets, two pairs and draws. Yes I'm super LAG, but I don't think I ever have 55 here honestly. Once he calls the flop bet his range is narrowed to 88-AA, and maybe TJ.

I was going to shove almost all turns, but when the A hit I thought the check would seem stronger and knew that if he checked back his range would further be reduced so by the river I could narrow him down to exactly TT, JJ, QQ, KK and maybe (small chance) of having TJ. I figured 88, 99 and AA would be shoving and maybe even the TJ combo. Therfore I could save the bet if he had those hands. A hand like TT-KK would be thrilled to see the river. On the river he just happened to be holding the top of his range, which he should correctly never be folding. So basically if he can get to the river with TT, JJ, and QQ and folds those here (even if he calls with QQ) the shove is +EV. If he gets to the river with only QQ, KK or only KK and never folds the shove is terribad which is why I needed villian ranges (ie my perceived range) for the hand to be constructed without much bias.

The two hands I opened I already that didn't get exposed were JJ and AQs so just catching some hands.

Regarding making a move here I wanted to make a point early in the session that this particular villian isn't going to be able to 3bet me lightly and have an easy time playing those pots. I considered a 4bet PF, but elected to call and CR range favorable flops. I wanted to send a message for this session and in the future as I know this players reputation despite not playing much together. The bonus is I got major image points rolling that bluff over which paid off for the night and will continue to pay going forward with this villian. I eventually went to play the PLO game afterwards with a few players from this table and got PAID on a few key hands that I don't think I usually would've gotten paid had this not been such a memorable hand. A good $750 investment that netted me a 4 figure win for the evening in the NLHE + PLO game.

What made me post the hand was how fast I got called like it was an easy decision. I figured I had some fold equity on the river and was concerned that with the snap call that maybe I was wrong.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Cool post. I like the way you did this. (Obviously, I also feel pretty vindicated by the results.)

 

[Payback]

Cool post. I like the way you did this. (Obviously, I also feel pretty vindicated by the results.)

A couple of you were spot on which is always a great feeling when you are analyzing a thread like this.

 

[BGinGA]

 

[Jimulacrum]

The hardest part for you in this hand is probably when your opponent calls the check-raise. You really don't want that call, because it's essentially a pot-committing play.

Now what do you do? You know you're behind, the pot is massive, and you're out of position. You just have to hope you can get a free card that will help you. And when it doesn't, you're essentially giving up if you don't bet.

Shoving the turn was probably your best chance to take it down, but even in that spot, repping an ace is hard to believe, and your opponent may have mentally decided to call a shove anyway. Not a fun spot.

 

[Payback]

The hardest part for you in this hand is probably when your opponent calls the check-raise. You really don't want that call, because it's essentially a pot-committing play.

Now what do you do? You know you're behind, the pot is massive, and you're out of position. You just have to hope you can get a free card that will help you. And when it doesn't, you're essentially giving up if you don't bet.

Shoving the turn was probably your best chance to take it down, but even in that spot, repping an ace is hard to believe, and your opponent may have mentally decided to call a shove anyway. Not a fun spot.

Not easy or fun to shove 450 in on a bluff, but I made my bed on the flop and had to follow though. The turn shove I think is fine for this line, and expected really, but once that A hit I figured it gave me an opportunity to define his range better by removing the best part of it. From the people commenting in here it seems like most that were calling the river would've called turn and those that were folding would've also done so on the turn.

 

[JustinInMN]

Love that you did the thread this way.

I like that you went for the check raise on the flop. You have a good, but vulnerable hand and you out flop hero a lot of the time.

The ace is tough for villian to represent, but also tough for hero to represent after checking the turn.

The frequency with which you get this bluff through I think depends on how sticky hero is on the river. If KK is all he can call with, then this bluff works enough to be worth it. If he's willing to go down to QQ, JJ, TT then maybe best to give up.

Always a question of knowing your players isn't it

 

[Rhodeman77]

I think the board pairing the 5 on the river plays a lot into the call. It helps the KK hand multiple ways. It counterfeits 89, which is one of the most likely made hands that would check raise. It also means a flopped set of 5’s is far less likely. It also didn’t complete the J10 flopped straight draw.

If the river had been a more dangerous or even less useful of a card it could have increased your fold equity.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Well done - great thread and an insightful breakdown of the hand.

My only nit to pick is that your hand was dead, since you held and another was on the board.

 

[BukNaked36]

I think the board pairing the 5 on the river plays a lot into the call. It helps the KK hand multiple ways. It counterfeits 89, which is one of the most likely made hands that would check raise. It also means a flopped set of 5’s is far less likely. It also didn’t complete the J10 flopped straight draw.

If the river had been a more dangerous or even less useful of a card it could have increased your fold equity.

This is spot on. If I'm playing the KK hand, this really helps push me over the edge to making a call.

I'd have a lot harder time calling a push on the turn.

 

[Taghkanic]

Those who said call on the flop, would you change your line or are you still calling? Those saying call river are you still doing that with TT, JJ or QQ?

Not having read the outcome... QQ and KK seem like essentially the same hand here. You’re either way ahead of his missed draws/smaller two pairs/bluffs, or way behind his value (trip 5s, AA, straights, A9, boats). Hard to say not knowing more about the player if he is likely to have the right proportion of combos of each to call.

JJ and TT seem slightly weaker for calling on the river because you're blocking one of the main missed draws or one pairs he was semibluffing on the flop. (JT, 9T). I would probably fold those to his shove on the river but make a crying call with QQ or KK.

 

[Payback]

Well done - great thread and an insightful breakdown of the hand.

My only nit to pick is that your hand was dead, since you held and another was on the board.

Ah thanks I'll fix it for clarity. Should've been the 8s on the board then.

 

[Breich]

Well done - great thread and an insightful breakdown of the hand.

My only nit to pick is that your hand was dead, since you held and another was on the board.

Well that and this thread was just an elaborate ploy to get us to call more the next time we play with him.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Well that and this thread was just an elaborate ploy to get us to call more the next time we play with him.

As if I don't already call him too much.

 

[Breich]

As if I don't already call him too much.

Right? Usually I just call and f*** off my night's earnings at 3am 3 handed.

 

[Payback]

Ugh. Don't start calling me more please. I don't want to have to be a big nit.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Ugh. Don't start calling me more please. I don't want to have to be a big nit.

 

[Breich]

LOL