Paulson elite (1 Viewer)

[BGinGA]

I have no problems telling my customers the Elite chips are made by Paulson.

Even though they are actually made by GPI, who clearly and intentionally markets them under their Gemaco brand, not their Paulson brand.

Paulson as a company doesn't exist, and no longer makes anything. Calling these chips 'Paulson chips' is stretching the truth quite a bit, but saying they are 'made by Paulson' is just an outright lie.

 

[CraigT78]

This is like arguing the difference between a Chevy Traverse and a Buick Enclave. Same car, different “model” made by the same parent company.

 

[Apache]

I guess you did not see where I said “For Fun”

These chips are hard to describe and I use all the possible information I have to accurately describe all my products to my customers.

A good reputation is something I strive for. Being called a liar by the one guy on this board who knows everything is not where I hoped this thread would go.

 

[Lemonzest]

Even though they are actually made by GPI, who clearly and intentionally markets them under their Gemaco brand, not their Paulson brand.

Paulson as a company doesn't exist, and no longer makes anything. Calling these chips 'Paulson chips' is stretching the truth quite a bit, but saying they are 'made by Paulson' is just an outright lie.

IMO "Paulson" is indicative of a specific "quality" of chip and refers to a weight and feel people are accustom to. Calling these chips "Paulson" is helpful in communicating to the general public and delineating between china clays, plastic chips etc.

I am not disagreeing with you but just offering a different perspective. It is helpful to call them "Paulsons" for simplicity sake.

 

[BGinGA]

I guess you did not see where I said “For Fun”

These chips are hard to describe and I use all the possible information I have to accurately describe all my products to my customers.

A good reputation is something I strive for. Being called a liar by the one guy on this board who knows everything is not where I hoped this thread would go.

Josh, I'm not calling you a liar, or engaging in any other type of name-calling. You know that I respect you personally, and appreciate everything you have done for the chipping community.... which is in fact a lot, indeed, more than most.

I understand why one might take artistic license with the naming convention for these chips, as the Paulson brand is a very strong draw, and until recently, Gemaco just didn't have the products or reputation for producing high-quality clay chips (although that has changed).

The actual chips are great, imo, and with extremely competitive pricing. A chip market game-changer, in fact. I applaud their existence, and your efforts to make them available. Well done.

I guess my biggest concern is why you refuse to publicly acknowledge that GPI manufactures these chips and sells them under their Gemaco brand, and no where refers to them as their Paulson brand (which they go to great lengths to protect and differentiate from their other products). To call them 'Paulson Elite' chips is intentionally misleading at best, and I guess I'd hoped you would not think it was necessary to stoop to that level of 'creative marketing' to sell an otherwise great product.

 

[Tommy]

I think calling them high quality clay chips made by GPI should be OK with most. Adding info like "made at same manufacturing plant that Paulson chips are made" is good too.

 

[upNdown]

I’m out of my league here, so I’ll just say this -
I brought it up to be a stickler for accuracy.
I’ll also say that I’m a fan of Apache - I’ve bought and sold with Josh and felt like I came out ahead with both transactions.

 

[Lash]

All nike shoes are made at the same factory but you would never call a walmart nike shoe a Jordan. Same materials but definitely not a jordan

 

[CHP TD]

Ok Ty one complaint I have of the bat is the fact that there is no 10 or 50 denomination

Hmmm no such thing as a fiddy.

 

[CHP TD]

I’m out of my league here, so I’ll just say this -
I brought it up to be a stickler for accuracy.
I’ll also say that I’m a fan of Apache - I’ve bought and sold with Josh and felt like I came out ahead with both transactions.

Me too! Josh on!!!!!

 

[Mike mac]

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[SWEATER]

All nike shoes are made at the same factory but you would never call a walmart nike shoe a Jordan. Same materials but definitely not a jordan

These are much better than Walmart shoes.

 

[Thomacetti]

I once also was a bit miffed about the description of the Majestics :

"With the help from our friends at Chiptalk & the Poker Chip Forum we designed what we feel is the best clay chip available next to Paulson chips"

These are not clay chips and not the best available next to Paulson chips.
But it's all marketing and Josh has no intention to mislead any of his customers.

The ones that know that other options like CPC exist, have no need for this info...they know already.
The ones that are shopping for 40 cent clay chips..will likely not pay the real clay prices...and if they do, then Josh can hook them up.

It's the same with the Elite chips....it doesn't matter how we call them...they are what they are.

And since the name Paulson is the only one known by the general population & potential buyers...it's obvious to market them this way.

All chippers must acknowledge that both chips (Majestic & Elite) are smoking good deals for the newbies and hardcore collectors.
And in the end, that is all that matters....

 

[Meddler2]

I think those involved in the AS/ES GB should refrain from making assertions of misrepresentation.

 

[BGinGA]

Nobody misrepresented anything.

 

[Meddler2]

To assert to Apache that he is lying or misrepresenting his product is nothing short of the definition of hypocrisy. If you are incapable of recognizing that then there's a bigger issue and it has nothing to do with poker chips.

 

[BGinGA]

Sorry, but if you fail to see the misleading nature of Apache's claims, then you simply aren't paying attention. The facts are the facts, and if he's claiming something that is false and flies in the face of those facts, that's on him.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with anything else.

 

[Meddler2]

Fresh off the heals of a GB rooted in misinformation that caused a giant rift within the community is not the best time to put on your self-appointed chip embassador hat.

 

[Apache]

I am getting a little sick of BG taking shots at my company. I try my hardest to take care of every customer. In no way am I trying to mislead anyone.
Some bad stuff has happened at this forum causing members to be lost and some vendors to stop selling their chip hoards here.

 

[Mike mac]

Josh - don't worry about it - BG is a lonely old man that has nothing better to do than call people out publicly - no one pays any attention to him any more - your reputation is still perfect here !! PS I bought my first set from you ! Thanks for getting me hooked on this drug!! I blame you!!

 

[BGinGA]

I am getting a little sick of BG taking shots at my company. I try my hardest to take care of every customer. In no way am I trying to mislead anyone.

I'm not taking shots at anyone, Josh.

If you want to call these 'Paulson' Elite chips, fine. But they aren't If you want to tell your customers that they are "made by Paulson", fine. But they aren't. And if you want to claim that neither of those is misleading, when you know that they are actually Gemaco brand chips made by GPI, fine.

But when somebody comes on here and asks "what are these?" or "are these really Paulson chips?", some people (and not just me) are going to tell them the truth. That's not taking shots.

Show me one single bit of evidence that GPI considers these to be Paulson chips, and I'll back up your claims 'till the cows come home.

 

[toad94]

Show me one single bit of evidence that GPI considers these to be Paulson chips, and I'll back up your claims 'till the cows come home.

What GPI considers these to be is less important than what chip buyers considers these to be. China clay manufacturers can call their products "clay chips" but that's not what I consider them. To me chips like Paulson, CPC/ASM, and TRK are clay chips. (I know they're not real clay.)

Gemaco originally had their own line of plastic chips. GPI bought Gemaco and ended their production. Still, when I hear "Gemaco chip" I think plastic chips.

The "BC" line of chips made by GPI are clay chips made with Paulson presses. I'll never consider these to be Gemaco chips. GPI is simply marketing these under the "Gemaco" name I assume due to its existing distribution network and retail sales capability (well, not really, you still need to find a retailer like Kardwell for business card/promo chip orders, but I digress).

The clay formula might differ between BC promo chips and Paulson promo chips, but I don't see how--they look and feel the same (other than the mold) and other than using BCC dyes. But so what? When BCC bought TRK dyes and made TRK tribute colors I didn't call those chips TRKs--they're clearly BCC chips. Likewise, GPI bought BCC dyes and are now using those colors to make clay chips in the Paulson factory with Paulson presses.

I have no problem with anyone referring to them as Paulson chips.

 

[TheDeezer]

The naming was misleading to me - been knee deep in playing poker lately and been out of the loop but wanted to snatch up a set and now rather confused -

All good - anxious to see how they feel -

 

[bsdunbar1]

I am 51/49 in agreement with @BGinGA.

Although I understand the argument on both sides and IMO neither side is technically wrong, as literal as everyone on this site takes everything I can see why this argument continues.
They are nice and if I needed a set I would not hesitate to buy them or recommend to a friend to buy them.

What it comes down to for me is - the semantics do not matter, these are not what I consider a Paulson chip when we, as chip fanatics, talk about Paulson chips.
Just wondering - where did the name "Paulson Elite" come from?

 

[Gameface]

The naming was misleading to me - been knee deep in playing poker lately and been out of the loop but wanted to snatch up a set and now rather confused -

All good - anxious to see how they feel -

They feel really great! They are light, 8gs. It is noticeable. Like really noticeable. But other than that they are fantastic chips that I'm proud to use in my game. Colors POP so much you might need eye protection. Sound is 100% Paulson. Shuffling isn't super great with mint chips, edges are sharp. They are solid stackers. You can easily go more than 200 chips high with no special effort. With special effort I bet you could top 1000. Really well made chips.

The inlays are not 100% centered. I only have the PCF chips, but the inlays are not perfectly centered. Not a big deal, but if you're checking with a micrometer (raises hand) you will find that they are not absolutely centered.

I like these chips a lot. I'm happy I got them! Probably the best value per $ out there right now.

 

[TheDeezer]

Interesting feedback - so lighter feel eh ? If they compare to these old fantasy Paulsons Id be thrilled - they would be close enough -
so Josh @Apache How close are they ?

 

[cmoon]

I want some of these chips. Just a beginner to this forum but I purchased a sample set. Might be my first chip set purchase.

 

[upNdown]

They feel really great! They are light, 8gs. It is noticeable. Like really noticeable.

I that even light though? People think of Paulsons as the gold standard for clay chips, and they think of them as 10 grams, and they think everything that’s lighter isn’t as great. But I think the truth is that since Paulson go the lead out, nobody’s making 10g chips. I’ll weigh some CPCs when I get home. I don’t have any unleaded paulsons, but a bunch of you do - how much do those Star chips weigh? They’re like the hottest thing on the market and I bet they weigh around 8 grams apiece.
TL/DR - I don’t think 8 grams is particularly light for a lay chip. I bet it’s abot average for clay chips being produced today.

 

[Gameface]

I that even light though? People think of Paulsons as the gold standard for clay chips, and they think of them as 10 grams, and they think everything that’s lighter isn’t as great. But I think the truth is that since Paulson go the lead out, nobody’s making 10g chips. I’ll weigh some CPCs when I get home. I don’t have any unleaded paulsons, but a bunch of you do - how much do those Star chips weigh? They’re like the hottest thing on the market and I bet they weigh around 8 grams apiece.
TL/DR - I don’t think 8 grams is particularly light for a lay chip. I bet it’s abot average for clay chips being produced today.

I think unleaded paulsons are around 9-9.5g.

It's noticeable. Not terrible, but noticeable.

 

[upNdown]

I think unleaded paulsons are around 9-9.5g.

It's noticeable. Not terrible, but noticeable.

Yup, you’re right: I just got home and actually do have a couple - right around 9.5.
The CPC samples I have all seem to be around 8.5.