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PCF Cigars (16 Viewers)

Getting around to firing up this one from @BlueChipSpecial

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BNM said:
I saw these for sale last night on ihavanas for the first time in awhile. $600 for a box of 25, though, which is a touch higher than I recall paying for them.

That said, they are gone now.
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Last time I bought a box of 25 I paid $385, comes out to just under $16 per. Still sitting on 18 of them I believe.
At these prices, I’m going to have to smoke Cubans a little more sparingly. Crazy thing is I’ve seen them for even more on some of the other sites I look at from time to time.
HdM Epicure #2s on Montefortuna are $555 for a box of 25. :eek: Just crazy!
 
Lil Tuna said:
Last time I bought a box of 25 I paid $385, comes out to just under $16 per. Still sitting on 18 of them I believe.
At these prices, I’m going to have to smoke Cubans a little more sparingly. Crazy thing is I’ve seen them for even more on some of the other sites I look at from time to time.
HdM Epicure #2s on Montefortuna are $555 for a box of 25. :eek: Just crazy!
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Yeah, I bought heavily in 2020 and early 2021. Glad I did.
 
I'm hosting a cash game for my cigar crew this Friday in my garage since we can no longer play at our cigar shop (long story). I get to break in the IG chipes!

Got in 4 boxes today and 4 more on the way (family will be out of town in LA for a week so I'm gonna have some fun!)

Picked this up today from Lonerider, a local brewery. Best kegs prices around - 1/2 barrel for $156.

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Hoppy Ki Yay (motherfucker) IPA. It needs to settle down and get colder. I'm helping get the foam out right now, little by little, sip by sip. My daughter, the cleaner, helped me clean up the garage. We took several truck loads of old shit to the dump.

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The kegerator had been making annoying beeping sounds so I shut it off for over a year. Plugged and prayed and no beeping sounds (knock on wood).

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Wasn't sure how much CO2 was left, but should be plenty for another kegger. The tank stamp is out of date and a pain to go get recertified. Will do that later on.
 
Anyone heard of Ernesto Pérez-Carrillo’s Cosecha de Oros?
 
I usually have less than 10 players. When I mentioned family out of town and I have a 1/2 keg, I get 14 wanting to play. Don't have enough quarters, but will work it out using something else as quarters (even though it doesn't go with the set) for the 2nd table and when we combine tables I'll exchange table #2 quarters for ones.

Update: One guy volunteered to bring his chips to help out. White, red & blue. Hard pass.
 
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Shit, I've got to work tomorrow. I meant today. Off after tomorrow so wtf???

I predict there's gonna be a problem with the kegerator sitting within 3 ft of my workstation while I'm smoking cigars.

Hot Nuts' top ten list of why having a kegerator is good.

1) No cans or bottles to clean up
2) The wife has no idear how much you've had to drink (oops make that #1)
3) Makes online gambling seem like play money
4) When you want that 13th beer, but feel you only need 6 ounces; there's no wasted ounces.
5) Feels cool to bartend for yourself. Hey Teddy, get me another beer (Ron White reference).
6) Grab a brew, don't cost nothing. [Name that movie]
7) Lunch break and all conference calls
8) Grab one when hitting the riding lawn mower, why not, it has cup holders. Make that 2.
9) You lose track of how many beers you've had because there's nothing to count.
10) Oh no, I just woke up from a lttle nap, little dark, but you guys silly? I'm still gonna drink it.

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Lil Tuna said:
Last time I bought a box of 25 I paid $385, comes out to just under $16 per. Still sitting on 18 of them I believe.
At these prices, I’m going to have to smoke Cubans a little more sparingly. Crazy thing is I’ve seen them for even more on some of the other sites I look at from time to time.
HdM Epicure #2s on Montefortuna are $555 for a box of 25. :eek: Just crazy!
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As much as I smoke, I target $3-$4 premium cigars online. I think like it's RHC vs THC vs IHC. RHC can be pretty damn good most of the time and suffice. Chips tend to last longer than cigars though. My damn cigar habit is > my chip habit, else I could have purchased 2000 IGs.
 
I've only got a flush. How many posts do I need to make the nuts?
 
Hot Nuts said:
As much as I smoke, I target $3-$4 premium cigars online. I think like it's RHC vs THC vs IHC. RHC can be pretty damn good most of the time and suffice. Chips tend to last longer than cigars though. My damn cigar habit is > my chip habit, else I could have purchased 2000 IGs.
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Super new to cigars, but how does the intersection of $3-4 and premium cigars work out?

Also, how many is a lot?
 
JustDave said:
Super new to cigars, but how does the intersection of $3-4 and premium cigars work out?

Also, how many is a lot?
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You need to subscribe to online retailers for sales and also do some searching on your on. Some gems I've found were not advertised, but can be a lot of work hunting, much like a craigslist or eBay chip hunting.

A lot? Well, let's say this. I ended one at 3am and just fired one up for a 9:30 am conference call. Makes work relaxing. I honestly try not to count or do the math on purpose. When I'm down to around a box and half, I consider myself out.
 
JustDave said:
Super new to cigars, but how does the intersection of $3-4 and premium cigars work out?

Also, how many is a lot?
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I find that cigars tend to improve in quality very linearly with price until you get above the $15-20 range when often it’s marketing gimmicks ramping price and you have to be careful about why you’re spending so much.

A $6-8 stick will be better than a $3-4 stick, but I don’t think there’s a specific cutoff I know of to call “premium.” At low costs (less than $15), the cigar industry is pretty similar on margin along the way and there will be reasons a stick is $10 instead of $5. Gurkha is an example of a brand that uses marketing to sell sticks at high prices that don’t have justifiable reasons for their prices.

In my opinion there’s no reason to spend more than $20-25 on almost any Nicaraguan stick. It won’t be better than an Alma Fuerte Salomon, Arturo Fuente Shark, or LFD Bull and those can all be had around there.

On the term “premium” I would only ever call long filler cigars “premium” and you start to get short filler stick when you buy bundle cigars at the $1-3/stick range.

More ramblings:

In general I’ve been taught and understand the that there are four (marketing) streams of cigars:

  1. Heritage: old world brands run by long family lineages, well-established, often originally Cuban. Examples: Arturo Fuente, Padron
  2. Boutique: the craft beer of the cigar world, small operations doing creative stuff. Examples: RoMa Craft, Dapper
  3. Bundle: sometimes short filler, usually unbanded and unboxed, sold in bundles for cheep. Examples: Drew Estates Factory Smokes, Schizo
  4. Infused: Sticks that have any ingredient other than tobacco, these can be flavored all throughout or just on the tip. Notably these are looked down on by cigar snobs but are far and away some of the most sold cigars in America. Examples: Acid, Isla del Sol
 
FestiveKnight said:
I find that cigars tend to improve in quality very linearly with price until you get above the $15-20 range when often it’s marketing gimmicks ramping price and you have to be careful about why you’re spending so much.

A $6-8 stick will be better than a $3-4 stick, but I don’t think there’s a specific cutoff I know of to call “premium.” At low costs (less than $15), the cigar industry is pretty similar on margin along the way and there will be reasons a stick is $10 instead of $5. Gurkha is an example of a brand that uses marketing to sell sticks at high prices that don’t have justifiable reasons for their prices.

In my opinion there’s no reason to spend more than $20-25 on almost any Nicaraguan stick. It won’t be better than an Alma Fuerte Salomon, Arturo Fuente Shark, or LFD Bull and those can all be had around there.

On the term “premium” I would only ever call long filler cigars “premium” and you start to get short filler stick when you buy bundle cigars at the $1-3/stick range.

More ramblings:

In general I’ve been taught and understand the that there are four (marketing) streams of cigars:

  1. Heritage: old world brands run by long family lineages, well-established, often originally Cuban. Examples: Arturo Fuente, Padron
  2. Boutique: the craft beer of the cigar world, small operations doing creative stuff. Examples: RoMa Craft, Dapper
  3. Bundle: sometimes short filler, usually unbanded and unboxed, sold in bundles for cheep. Examples: Drew Estates Factory Smokes, Schizo
  4. Infused: Sticks that have any ingredient other than tobacco, these can be flavored all throughout or just on the tip. Notably these are looked down on by cigar snobs but are far and away some of the most sold cigars in America. Examples: Acid, Isla del Sol
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Gurkha is an example of a brand that uses marketing to sell sticks at high prices that don’t have justifiable reasons for their prices.

Nailed it. I've thought that since they first came out. I have a friend that buys a lot of them. He's their ideal target audience. Some are ok, but most are not (to me).

I've found $3.50 to $4 Oliva Vs, Masterblend III, various AJ Fernandez's, Alec Bradley Prensado/Lost Art and some other great sticks online. You have to be patient.
 
Hot Nuts said:
Gurkha is an example of a brand that uses marketing to sell sticks at high prices that don’t have justifiable reasons for their prices.

Nailed it. I've thought that since they first came out. I have a friend that buys a lot of them. He's their ideal target audience. Some are ok, but most are not (to me).

I've found $3.50 to $4 Oliva Vs, Masterblend III, various AJ Fernandez's, Alec Bradley Prensado/Lost Art and some other great sticks online. You have to be patient.
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Oliva V is I think a great example of the opposite of Gurkha. It’s a huge line with a really big variety of blends and vitolas and thus of prices and I think when you get into the detail of it, a lot is really well justified.

I’ve found for instance that you can get Serie V Colorado robustos around $0.40/stick cheaper than the Maduro robustos. To me the maduros are easily worth paying that extra for and comparing the two I readily understand the price difference.
 
FestiveKnight said:
Oliva V is I think a great example of the opposite of Gurkha. It’s a huge line with a really big variety of blends and vitolas and thus of prices and I think when you get into the detail of it, a lot is really well justified.

I’ve found for instance that you can get Serie V Colorado robustos around $0.40/stick cheaper than the Maduro robustos. To me the maduros are easily worth paying that extra for and comparing the two I readily understand the price difference.
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Share some links!
 
Jonesey07 said:
Share some links!
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https://foxcigar.com/?s=Serie+v+double+robusto&post_type=product

I’ll admit (as I believe I did in a post a while ago) that I used to be really big on Serie V with the Melanio maduro figurados being among my favorite cigars but the Serie v has had a bunch of blend changes the last couple of years and they just don’t hit as much for me anymore.

While far pricier, if I’m going to link any single cigar right now it’s the Plasencia Alma Fuerte Salomon. I don’t think there’s a better Nicaraguan cigar you can readily buy right now.

https://foxcigar.com/shop/cigars/plasencia/generacion-v-salomon/
 
Hot Nuts said:
You need to subscribe to online retailers for sales and also do some searching on your on. Some gems I've found were not advertised, but can be a lot of work hunting, much like a craigslist or eBay chip hunting.

A lot? Well, let's say this. I ended one at 3am and just fired one up for a 9:30 am conference call. Makes work relaxing. I honestly try not to count or do the math on purpose. When I'm down to around a box and half, I consider myself out.
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Check out CigarBid too. I watch it regularly and you almost always can get decent prices and occasionally get some outstanding deals
 
Hot Nuts said:
Gurkha is an example of a brand that uses marketing to sell sticks at high prices that don’t have justifiable reasons for their prices.

Nailed it. I've thought that since they first came out. I have a friend that buys a lot of them. He's their ideal target audience. Some are ok, but most are not (to me).

I've found $3.50 to $4 Oliva Vs, Masterblend III, various AJ Fernandez's, Alec Bradley Prensado/Lost Art and some other great sticks online. You have to be patient.
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Agree 99.9% on Ghurkha…. Except their Cask Blend is my favorite cheap cigar! Can regularly get on CigarBid around $3 per
 
 

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