I have been called many things at the poker table. First time for “spirit animal” thou. I like it!
PLO getting it in prelop Good play or spew? (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter grebe
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No 3 raise rule?
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grebe
Full House
ummmmmm......what?
Never heard the term used outside of limit. It is DEFINITELY not a thing in these games.
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grebe
Full House
My turning point was you telling the story last year at @Seeking Alpha Social Club meetup about you and your buddies playing some WSOP NLHE event...maybe monster stack? Your buddies all busted out and were going to play BigO, so you shipped it blind next hand to go play with them. I have been in awe ever since.
Getting all in pre with that hand is also great for the image. Once people think u are a crazy cowboy with a wide range u will get paid off a lot more and get invited to awesome private games! Trust me I know!
Btw, quick war story about last night playing plo. I have
. I call two pre flop raises in early position. Flop is
yum yum. I bet pot. 2 callers. Turn is
. Yum flipping yum. I check, 2nd guy checks. 3 guy pots. I call. Other guy calls. River is
. I bet out 40% of the pot. Next guy raises pot. 3rd guy tank goes all in for less!!!! I go all in. 2nd guy calls all in. St8 flush over quads over Ks full. Holly crap. I give the dealer a big hug and a big tip.
Hopefully this was more than .10/.20 PLO
utgtrash
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i have a lot of experience playing spewy, and getting it in pre in this spot is a spew, in plo terms. it's because you can justify with close equities and pot odds, that it is a spew in plo, because you could justify a lot of hands that way. that being said, i'd probably still take this spot with even just a slightly better hand, even 789T because i hate folding, just don't want to be too dominated. calling a single raise mayyyybe even 3bet with your exact hand is definitely fine imo.
also for me, i don't mind spewing to friends and being the action guy but against randos online i'm not going to give them this much action, i'd be playing more to straight up make money and to me this spot is breakeven or slightly worse at best. at this particular table i'm sure there are a lot more profitable ways to play. for example, lots of times the crazy preflop guys play weirdly fit or fold on the flop, so you can make a lot esp in position, bluffing/stuffing it with premium draws and nutted hands etc normal plo shit.
also for me, i don't mind spewing to friends and being the action guy but against randos online i'm not going to give them this much action, i'd be playing more to straight up make money and to me this spot is breakeven or slightly worse at best. at this particular table i'm sure there are a lot more profitable ways to play. for example, lots of times the crazy preflop guys play weirdly fit or fold on the flop, so you can make a lot esp in position, bluffing/stuffing it with premium draws and nutted hands etc normal plo shit.
Move the decimal point over a few spaces to the right….
It was the colossus wsop holdem event. I had a $500 last longer bet with a friend (who is a poker pro). He comes over to my table, drops $500 in my lap and says nice win. The very next hand I shoved all in blind so I could go play in the big o cash game.
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
@grebe pickup Rolf Slotbooms book on PLO as he can explain the short stacking strat better than me
But essentially in this hand you were too deep, especially in relation to your opponents.
Generally you want to have 40-50 bigs while they are 200-400+ bb deep. This gives them enough stack depth to fold postflop, allowing you to get a shot at 3-5x'ing your stack while only having to beat one opponent
An example would be the game at Luckys. You can minbuy $200 and it's 1/2 with a $5 mandatory straddle, so you are 40bb effective
Toss in unlimited restraddles and now you're even shallower, while the guys with 1-3k have to proceed more cautiously given how deep they are
But essentially in this hand you were too deep, especially in relation to your opponents.
Generally you want to have 40-50 bigs while they are 200-400+ bb deep. This gives them enough stack depth to fold postflop, allowing you to get a shot at 3-5x'ing your stack while only having to beat one opponent
An example would be the game at Luckys. You can minbuy $200 and it's 1/2 with a $5 mandatory straddle, so you are 40bb effective
Toss in unlimited restraddles and now you're even shallower, while the guys with 1-3k have to proceed more cautiously given how deep they are
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When playing for stacks what happens the other 66% of the time?
Disregard, already asked and answered- lol.
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grebe
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Until I went back and looked, I forgot this hand was only 4 handed....6 Max table, but 2 empty seats.
That probably matters a bit, but I agree with the general consensus that this was totally unnecessary to get it in preflop, and was a gross misunderstanding of a concept.
I'll post the hand history when I can, but poker bros is acting up right now. The basics are I flop two pair with the nut flush draw, BB shoves and button folds. BB has AKXX double suited and has like 10 percent equity. We run once and hit the flush and hold for the triple up.
My takeaway from this hand is this:. I didn't need to get this in preflop, I could have easily had the same results by calling, then getting the money in when I am a massive favorite, or folding to a bad flop. My line was high variance for no good reason... Especially in these games where post flop play is so poor.
That probably matters a bit, but I agree with the general consensus that this was totally unnecessary to get it in preflop, and was a gross misunderstanding of a concept.
I'll post the hand history when I can, but poker bros is acting up right now. The basics are I flop two pair with the nut flush draw, BB shoves and button folds. BB has AKXX double suited and has like 10 percent equity. We run once and hit the flush and hold for the triple up.
My takeaway from this hand is this:. I didn't need to get this in preflop, I could have easily had the same results by calling, then getting the money in when I am a massive favorite, or folding to a bad flop. My line was high variance for no good reason... Especially in these games where post flop play is so poor.
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grebe
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Rolf has 3 books, I think the recommended is this one, though he has one on short handed play
ekricket
Royal Flush
Don’t mean to beat up on you, it seems to me that from your posts the only tool in your poker toolbox is a big fucking hammer. I think if tournament poker as an art, not a science. It has science (math) backing, but there is so much more at play than the math.
If all you did day in and day out for infinity was play poker against one person who played perfectly every time then “playing mathmatically perfect” might be the best strategy. But for tournament you have to factor in time pressure, blinds pressure, stack sizes, hand reads, and tells into decisions that can affect your tournament life. Solvers need to account for this somehow but I think they are lacking. Honestly I think the only use most solvers have is to support bad beat stories.
In NL games you can have a mathematically correct win rate and still be a losing player. You just can’t control the size of the pots to always be the same for any given situation.
mad gambler! My man. Some times u just have to say “f#ck it” and get it in Pre flop. Doing flips once in a while never hurts. You flopped huge by the way. Top 2p and nut flush draw. Nice!
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grebe
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To avoid bad vibes between us, I will just say "agree to disagree" and leave it at that.
I am honored…… I will say though it’s the first time I have been called that…..
Edit - oops looks like I already responded to this…. I am getting old.
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