No idea. I don't think you could have seen a worse turn card.
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Pocket aces, out of position (1 Viewer)
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No idea. I don't think you could have seen a worse turn card.
DrStrange
4 of a Kind
If I weren't betting the turn, it would be in the hopes that the passive villain was going to check back with the best hand.
Chippy McChiperson
Straight Flush
if they have a big spade they may call on the turn, but fold on the river if they don't get there. If you can't ever fold aces in this spot (and I think it would be foolish to do so, you only have to be ahead 12/54 or 22% of the time) then ship it in and try to get the money in while you can. Also, judging by your prior strat posts, you seem to be very good at binking 2 outers on the river. So if you are in fact behind, just have faith, you'll still probably get there.
DrStrange
4 of a Kind
Hero has four outs vs a made flush.
Chippy McChiperson
Straight Flush
And two outs versus a queen. But villain probably has more in their range than just flushes and queens.
Jimulacrum
Full House
Shove. Unless your goal is to give away all of your money, it's unwise to go around creating pots that dwarf your stack and abandoning them.
manamongkids
Full House
Lol. Agreed,
Shove Pre>>Shove flop >> shove turn>>fold preflop>>fold flop>>fold turn
atomiktoaster
Full House
I was having trouble deciding if that was literally the worst card in the deck for hero. 7s might be a contender, but just because Qs on the board rules it out from villain's hand.
DrStrange
4 of a Kind
*** and now the river ***
I think these topics are still worthy of discussion, but there are a lot of hands coming where we will get to discuss them further.
Hero checks, villain checks.
Heads up, $28.50 in the pot. Effective stacks are $12. Hero holds
The river is: <
> 
ICK!
Action on hero. Check or shove?
I think these topics are still worthy of discussion, but there are a lot of hands coming where we will get to discuss them further.
Hero checks, villain checks.
Heads up, $28.50 in the pot. Effective stacks are $12. Hero holds
The river is: <
> ICK!Action on hero. Check or shove?
atomiktoaster
Full House
No breaks for the Dr. on this one... Check fold unless villain is completely incompetent.
Kain8
Flush
If you weren't playing against a calling station, this river is actually pretty good for us as a shove may get trips without a decent spade to fold.
As played, if you shove, all better hands than your aces will call. All worse hands will probably fold unless the calling station is a total maniac. Check the river and hope your opponent follows behind and tables a pair of eights that you beat.
This is precisely why a shove on the flop is the way to go with the overpair in a low SPR situation. If a calling station wants to suckout on your great equity, make them pay the maximum.
As played, if you shove, all better hands than your aces will call. All worse hands will probably fold unless the calling station is a total maniac. Check the river and hope your opponent follows behind and tables a pair of eights that you beat.
This is precisely why a shove on the flop is the way to go with the overpair in a low SPR situation. If a calling station wants to suckout on your great equity, make them pay the maximum.
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Jimulacrum
Full House
For the record, I have advocated a shove on literally every street, and I'm still shoving this river. Villain may be a calling station, but that last card may have changed the "folding if we beat him, calling if we're beat" dynamic.
That final spade may actually scare off some of his range that beats us. Even super-loose players can recognize the threat posed by a board with four to a suit. Calling stations also tend to be hilariously unaware of the size of the pot, so the fact that he's getting 3.5:1 (and we're getting 2.5:1 on the bluff) may not factor significantly into his decision.
If he has a boat, he's clearly calling. He's definitely calling with
and I'd say 
. But I think that's where his 100% calling hands end, and that's why we should bet. In addition to random and hands, Villain should have a lot of other hands in his range that beat us with a small spade but may fold. He may also fold a bare queen.
If we're ahead, great, we're taking down the $30 every time, and almost never getting called. If we're behind, though, I think this scary board is offering us a good enough bluff opportunity for the 2.5:1 odds we're getting. If we succeed, awesome. If not, this kind of move can have useful effects on table image in future hands.
That final spade may actually scare off some of his range that beats us. Even super-loose players can recognize the threat posed by a board with four to a suit. Calling stations also tend to be hilariously unaware of the size of the pot, so the fact that he's getting 3.5:1 (and we're getting 2.5:1 on the bluff) may not factor significantly into his decision.
If he has a boat, he's clearly calling. He's definitely calling with
and I'd say . But I think that's where his 100% calling hands end, and that's why we should bet. In addition to random and hands, Villain should have a lot of other hands in his range that beat us with a small spade but may fold. He may also fold a bare queen.If we're ahead, great, we're taking down the $30 every time, and almost never getting called. If we're behind, though, I think this scary board is offering us a good enough bluff opportunity for the 2.5:1 odds we're getting. If we succeed, awesome. If not, this kind of move can have useful effects on table image in future hands.
DrStrange
4 of a Kind
Hero reloads three times somewhere during the session. Hero gets some of the best starting hands in a year but the poker gods were not nearly as generous by the time the river gets dealt.
AlPresidente
Pair
$5 pre, $8 flop, ship turn, checkfold river
Adam Crowley
Two Pair
I would bet $5 on the flop and ship every turn vs people that are aware of pot sizes, I would still ship spade and Q turns due to low SPR. The fact that villain says it's only money makes a queen less likely and a small flush more likely, but can also have low pairs, straight draws etc.
Against people less likely to know the pot size I would bet $7 and $14 on turn just to make my turn shove an easier call.
as played I agree with Jims evaluation and just add that JT and T7 are really likely, i would expect to fold all T7 combos (including when they have the Ts) and would expect JsTx to call.
The only thing is that they way we played our hand rules out AA with the As and KK with the Ks, we can still credibly rep AK with a spade though. I am assuming villain doesn't think this deeply about hands, but it is a valid point to make.
Against people less likely to know the pot size I would bet $7 and $14 on turn just to make my turn shove an easier call.
as played I agree with Jims evaluation and just add that JT and T7 are really likely, i would expect to fold all T7 combos (including when they have the Ts) and would expect JsTx to call.
The only thing is that they way we played our hand rules out AA with the As and KK with the Ks, we can still credibly rep AK with a spade though. I am assuming villain doesn't think this deeply about hands, but it is a valid point to make.
DrStrange
4 of a Kind
*** Results ***
Hero checks, villain checks. We both table vs 
I was quite surprised that the villain never tried to take the last of Hero's chips. And yes, this villain is certain to call a turn or river shove from Hero.
Thanks! -=- DrStrange
Hero checks, villain checks. We both table
vs I was quite surprised that the villain never tried to take the last of Hero's chips. And yes, this villain is certain to call a turn or river shove from Hero.
Thanks! -=- DrStrange
atomiktoaster
Full House
*** Results ***
Hero checks, villain checks. We both table
I was quite surprised that the villain never tried to take the last of Hero's chips. And yes, this villain is certain to call a turn or river shove from Hero.
Thanks! -=- DrStrange
I think the danger of the As or Ks is what kept villain passive on the river (including the possibility of AA and KK). I don't think you could have moved him off the 3rd nut flush though.
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