pocket sixes, good possition (1 Viewer)

[courage]

I like the raise to $80.

 

[kirchhausen]

i like a raise in the $75-$80 range.

 

[pltrgyst]

.... playing in a "normal" game I am a little to pushy for my own good and I over-value one pair hands....

Ah, good material for the potential meat-up dossier. :

 

[Trihonda]

I'm in the raise around $80-90 camp. Slight overbet here. I don't like the possibility of someone catching up here, so I want to thing the heard.

 

[courage]

I'll retract my statement depending on history with villains since punching it to $80 pretty much announces my hand, at least with my crowd. We don't want to lose players unnecessarily, that's not getting max value, so whatever raise is consistent with an overpair is what I'd prefer. In my case in this spot, I'd prolly make it $55-60. Of course, we sometimes need to be doing this with flush draws + overs, straight draws, etc.

 

[xt!]

I raise pre to the $12 range, I call any reasonable size 3 bet from the deeper stacks, occasionally 4-betting vs really deep stacks/exploitable players.

Post flop as played, easy raise to ~$90. I'd make that raise here, with literally any pocket pair on that board, with 74, with 34, with Axhh, and sometimes with AK/AQ dpending on hearts in my hand and in-game reads - so I would expect action from a wide range of hands as well.

 

[BGinGA]

 

[DrStrange]

*** and now, the end ***

Hero decided a raise is definitely best - $60 on top or $75 all day. One by one the villains ponder, muse about Hero's holdings (mostly QQ+ and a rare AK - they literally scoff at the notion Hero could hold 66 since he raised) but in the end they all fold.

We only get to see one hand - Crazy holds .

It was a perfect plan until everyone folded -=- DrStrange

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

It was still the right play. You don't want them to see the turn cheaply.

 

[DrStrange]

The board might be low, but it was quite coordinated. There are a lot of scare cards that could beat Hero and/or chase off the villains. Free cards are not Hero's friend especially deep stacked.

DrStrange

 

[atomiktoaster]

Well, we know Crazy should have folded pre-flop. I suspect our calling station is in the same boat, on autopilot sitting on a big stack. Any bet on any street large enough to matter is going to get them to realize they're really overdue for a fold. The exception would be if they somehow pull ahead of the set on the turn or river. No upside for giving them the chance, with a smallish risk of a big loss.

What's hero's read on a raise to $30 ($15 on top)? If Crafty 3-bets, does his table image get calls from the other two?

 

[kirchhausen]

Well, we know Crazy should have folded pre-flop. I suspect our calling station is in the same boat, on autopilot sitting on a big stack. Any bet on any street large enough to matter is going to get them to realize they're really overdue for a fold. The exception would be if they somehow pull ahead of the set on the turn or river. No upside for giving them the chance, with a smallish risk of a big loss.

What's hero's read on a raise to $30 ($15 on top)? If Crafty 3-bets, does his table image get calls from the other two?

I think in retrospect knowing everyone folded it is easy to second guess. Like Doc said, however, the board was super coordinated and I dont think you want to anyone calling cheaply here.

The other thing you don;t want to do is give bet sizing tells here. What does a min raise of $15 into a $91 pot say? Would you play big pairs that way? If not when you do have an overpair and bet normally "for that hand" you are really starting to play your cards face up.

 

[atomiktoaster]

I don't think it's a bad play by any means, but it's interesting to think about Doc's table image here. If his pot size raise gets treated like a monster hand every time by multiple loose players, isn't he playing face up already when he makes that bet with the set? How should he take advantage of it next time? ABC TAG poker might not be the best approach at this table if Doc is viewed as the boogeyman.

 

[Ben]

The concept of Crazy laying down top pair has shaken me to the core. Next its going to start raining hamburgers.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Preflop B+ should have made it $10 on the button like I said .
Postflop A+ make them pay to see that turn card.

 

[DrStrange]

This session is an outlier - Hero left a mark on several villains with "cooler" type hands and it affected their play. Most nights Crazy calls a $60 raise with top pair.

I don't think Hero did a good job adjusting to the table dynamics. Hero should have taken better advantage of the table's willingness to fold to aggression.

DrStrange

 

[atomiktoaster]

This session is an outlier - Hero left a mark on several villains with "cooler" type hands and it affected their play. Most nights Crazy calls a $60 raise with top pair.

I don't think Hero did a good job adjusting to the table dynamics. Hero should have taken better advantage of the table's willingness to fold to aggression.

DrStrange

Crazy didn't re-raise the $15 with top pair either, which is a little surprising. Is he position aware here?

Do you think you needed to adjust on this hand, or the night overall? It's kind of terrifying to start counting on fold equity for the first time ever with that many chips.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Maybe you can use that the next time you guys play if they start to adjust to your current level of snugness.

 

[kirchhausen]

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I don't think it's a bad play by any means, but it's interesting to think about Doc's table image here. If his pot size raise gets treated like a monster hand every time by multiple loose players, isn't he playing face up already when he makes that bet with the set? How should he take advantage of it next time? ABC TAG poker might not be the best approach at this table if Doc is viewed as the boogeyman.

Not if he plays his other hands the same way (ovepairs, draws, throw in the occasional bluff). In the long view, take advantage of that position (you were the button raiser in a muti-way pot and are raising over a small donk-be). You aren't always going to flop a set with the same pre-flop bet and position.