Poker chips by price (1 Viewer)

[mummel]

Is there a hierarchy table somewhere sorting poker chips according to price/quality?

I assume Paulson's are at the top and plastic dice chips are at the bottom, but there is a lot in between I'd like to learn about. For example, where do the China clays fit vs the ASM chips etc.

 

[links_slayer]

Not that I'm aware of - but that's probably because if you ask 100 different chippers to rank all the available options you'd get 100 different responses since this is almost entirely subjective.

If you want to learn about all the different options the most foolproof exercise (IMO) would be to get samples of all of them rank them yourself.

Probably not the answer you wanted but it is what it is.

 

[mummel]

Not that I'm aware of - but that's probably because if you ask 100 different chippers to rank all the available options you'd get 100 different responses since this is almost entirely subjective.

If you want to learn about all the different options the most foolproof exercise (IMO) would be to get samples of all of them rank them yourself.

Probably not the answer you wanted but it is what it is.

Well price would be a constant regardless of personal preferences, so I wonder if there is a spreadsheet that sort chips according to price, which would be a start.

 

[links_slayer]

You asked about price vs. quality, yes? The price is easy to figure out. Quality/value is where you're going to run into opinions across the board. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the point of this.

 

[atomiktoaster]

Here's one example, but it's not perfect:

http://www.homepokergames.com/types-of-poker-chips.php

Milanos / china clays aren't actually compression molded chips, and I wouldn't rank Bud Jones below them, for example. For our purposes, most of the interest is going to be at the nice plastic and above anyway (with the demise of the faux clays). The details of stuff like ASM vs BCC or Milano vs CPS is mostly personal preference when you get down to it.

 

[DrStrange]

Prices can be all over the map. It isn't just the type of chip that matters, where it came from, how good is the condition, how rare is the denomination, all matter greatly.

That being said, the bottom of the list is always the bottom. $35 for 500 dice chips - less if you find them used. Sometimes free if you pay shipping.

DrStrange

 

[AfterTheFact]

Like a chip pricing tool?

 

[mummel]

Here's one example, but it's not perfect:

http://www.homepokergames.com/types-of-poker-chips.php

Milanos / china clays aren't actually compression molded chips, and I wouldn't rank Bud Jones below them, for example. For our purposes, most of the interest is going to be at the nice plastic and above anyway (with the demise of the faux clays). The details of stuff like ASM vs BCC or Milano vs CPS is mostly personal preference when you get down to it.

This post is pure epic win. Thanks for the info. Exactly what I was looking for.

 

[Mental Nomad]

This post is pure epic win. Thanks for the info. Exactly what I was looking for.

But not all that accurate...

Matsui and Bud Jones are more expensive (and definitely professional chips.)

 

[Poker Zombie]

A lot of errors on that chart, and omits a ton of China clay options.

 

[BGinGA]

This post is pure epic win. Thanks for the info. Exactly what I was looking for.

Outdated, incomplete, and inaccurate. It's also just one guy's opinion. I wouldn't put much stock in it.

And as Dr Strange noted, "higher quality" isn't always "more expensive", and "more expensive" doesn't necessarily mean "higher quality", either. Lots of variables in play.

 

[Payback]

But not all that accurate...

Matsui and Bud Jones are more expensive (and definitely professional chips.)

Not to mention Paulson and ASM...

 

[jbutler]

My opinion without regard to price:

Paulson/TRK (tied - depends on individual chip imo)
ASM/CPC (can sometimes be better than Paulson/TRK if design is spectacular)
Bud Jones
Chipco/Game On
RT Plastic
Sun-fly/imported ceramic
Matsui/Gemaco/Abbiati
China clay (non-exhaustive sub-raking: Dunes, Great Wall, Spirit with the rest not being worth the time)
Less crappy non-Dice injection plastic (i.e., Lucky Bees)
Faux clay
Crappy non-Dice injection plastic
Super diamond
Dice
Interlocking

 

[Victor]

@jbutler where does BCC fit into your list? How's it compared to the Paulson's and ASM/CPC's, IYO?

 

[BGinGA]

i'm no attorney, but with the right mold and adequate care/QC, I rank BCC chips on the same plane as Paulson/TRK. Certain mold/inlay combinations (or when produced like idgaf) are pretty horrid.

 

[jbutler]

@jbutler where does BCC fit into your list? How's it compared to the Paulson's and ASM/CPC's, IYO?

i'm no attorney, but with the right mold and adequate care/QC, I rank BCC chips on the same plane as Paulson/TRK. Certain mold/inlay combinations (or when produced like idgaf) are pretty horrid.

Whoops - bad oversight particularly since I have two sets of BCCs. I agree with Dave, though, contingent as he says on mold and QA. I would rank the MGK mold up there at least with the RHC. As for the other commonly used BCC molds I would say Suits >>> Flame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sun.

 

[ssanel54]

Whoops - bad oversight particularly since I have two sets of BCCs. I agree with Dave, though, contingent as he says on mold and QA. I would rank the MGK mold up there at least with the RHC. As for the other commonly used BCC molds I would say Suits >>> Flame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sun.

Now your forgetting the T Mold... your earning yourself a spot on the Bullshit list.

 

[jbutler]

Now your forgetting the T Mold... your earning yourself a spot on the Bullshit list.

Proper shaming I have to say.

T mold very close to MGK imo. Not quite as good, but just behind it.

 

[pltrgyst]

Yeah. Just take that "High-End Injection" category, swap the two entries, and move them up between the Chipcos and the Paulsons, and you've pretty well got it.

I'm going to laugh uncontrollably at anyone why tells me my Grand Casino Mullet Bays (or Aruba Americanas, or Rounders CICs) are worth less than my Chipcos.

 

[Poker Zombie]

My opinion without regard to price:

Paulson/TRK (tied - depends on individual chip imo)
ASM/CPC (can sometimes be better than Paulson/TRK if design is spectacular)
Bud Jones
Chipco/Game On
RT Plastic
Sun-fly/imported ceramic
Matsui/Gemaco/Abbiati
China clay (non-exhaustive sub-raking: Dunes, Great Wall, Spirit with the rest not being worth the time)
Less crappy non-Dice injection plastic (i.e., Lucky Bees)
Faux clay
Crappy non-Dice injection plastic
Super diamond
Dice
Interlocking

I would swap the RT plastics over chipco, but otherwise this is my order of preference. YMMV.

 

[BGinGA]

Now your forgetting the T Mold... your earning yourself a spot on the Bullshit list.

And the TFP mold. And the web mold. And the 50mm no-mold.

Tough to beat good quality MGK and T-molds, some of the nicest chips ever made.

Oh, and sun>>>>>>>>flame imo, btw. Agree they both take up the rear in the lineup, though.

 

[ssanel54]

And the TFP mold. And the web mold. And the 50mm no-mold.

Tough to beat good quality MGK and T-molds, some of the nicest chips ever made.

Oh, and sun>>>>>>>>flame imo, btw. Agree they both take up the rear in the lineup, though.

which is the TFP? is that the club mold?

 

[BGinGA]

yeah, 8 clubs, used for the GCOP chips. Owned by Two-Faced Poker.

 

[Victor]

i'm no attorney, but with the right mold and adequate care/QC, I rank BCC chips on the same plane as Paulson/TRK. Certain mold/inlay combinations (or when produced like idgaf) are pretty horrid.

"Care and QC/QA" are really key factors, especially, in the later days for BCC... IMO. B.C. Wills/Birt/ASM/CPC makes good quality clay chips. Anyone knows how many domestic US companies/manufacturers are there still making chips for selling to consumer market?

 

[stocky]

"Care and QC/QA" are really key factors, especially, in the later days for BCC... IMO. B.C. Wills/Birt/ASM/CPC makes good quality clay chips. Anyone knows how many domestic US companies/manufacturers are there still making chips for selling to consumer market?

For clays? One.

For ceramics? See the sponsors.

 

[Victor]

Therefore, the facts of life is:

1. For newly-made chips with existing manufacturer(s) and supply chain, the market pricing can be based on cost-plus scheme, e.g., CPC > Ceramics > China Clay >> other low-end's... ( I heard that GPI/Paulson is re-considering on entering the consumer market? (y) :thumbsup

2. Others, including antique collector's and casino used/cancelled, it's matter of supply-and-demand issue -- fair market pricing comes from what the individual buyer-and-seller's mutual agreement...

One question: I ran into some chips made by Mr. Lucky, back in the 60's, I think. Are they clay chips?

 

[stocky]

( I heard that GPI/Paulson is re-considering on entering the consumer market? (y) :thumbsup

When did you hear this? Last I heard there was no chance.

 

[courage]

My opinion without regard to price:

Paulson/TRK (tied - depends on individual chip imo)
ASM/CPC (can sometimes be better than Paulson/TRK if design is spectacular)
Bud Jones
Chipco/Game On
RT Plastic
Sun-fly/imported ceramic
Matsui/Gemaco/Abbiati
China clay (non-exhaustive sub-raking: Dunes, Great Wall, Spirit with the rest not being worth the time)
Less crappy non-Dice injection plastic (i.e., Lucky Bees)
Faux clay
Crappy non-Dice injection plastic
Super diamond
Dice
Interlocking

Pretty much this for me with the subsequent caveat of adding BCC MGK and t-mold to top line if produced with any care and QC. Personally I'd swap the Chipco and Bud Jones ranking.

But the problem is this is just a general starting point. Just because Paulson made it doesn't immediately send it to the top of the list. There are plenty of shitty Paulson chips (*cough* $5 Aztars or Paulson mold, and some love those) and as Doc noted, condition, provenance, etc play a part.

Then consider customs. While I'd agree in general ASM/CPC are slightly less desirable then Paulson/BCC/TRK, some of mine and others' customs I'd never trade for those chips because the design is too cool, personal and exceeds whatever criteria is used to define great chips. I may also add some ceramic sets like Game On Paymaster or ABC High Arctic Poker here as well.

It's a journey. It's very personal and subjective as @links_slayer indicated.

That's why many experienced chippers express surprise occasionally when something new hits or fills a gap they've missed. For example I've never cared for PNY's (*gasp*). But then I got to play with a mint set and they handled amazing. They would never be among my dream sets but for many they would be, at least I can understand why.

 

[courage]

When did you hear this? Last I heard there was no chance.

No chance.

 

[slisk250]

I would also add this. Considering the fact that TRK and Paulson casino chips have skyrocketed in price, I'm not really trying to get many more but just trying to fill some holes. For the price, I'd rather buy new CPC customs than pay $3 a chip average for a set of Paul-sons anymore. I'm glad I went nutz on a buying spree last year before it went totally crazy.