Quick advice for 5 card stud / draw (1 Viewer)

[moechar]

My friend is playing a 5 card stud / draw cash game tonight and looking for some tips on what to do / not to do. any quick advice he can take with him for tonight?

Tagging random ppl who know these old man games
@Josh Kifer @TricycleClub @wonderpuddle @Irish

 

[Irish]

Tagging random ppl who know these old man games

Definitely play aggressive and jam every other hand, like every other 20-something year old. That always works.

 

[moechar]

Whoops, the game is next Thursday. We have a week to make him a champion

 

[moechar]

Definitely play aggressive and jam every other hand, like every other 20-something year old. That always works.

He’s in his 30’s. And hey I don’t do that!

 

[Irish]

Whoops, the game is next Thursday. We have a week to make him a champion

Fuck'n kids. Get him one of those ancient paper calendars next time.

 

[JMC9389]

Limit or pot limit?

 

[SteveEH]

Is it gonna be NL, pot, spread, or fixed?

 

[Irish]

Lol, obviously just messing with you bud. I honestly don't think I've ever played 5 card stud, but I can't imagine there's much strategy there, it's all balls and reads. 5 card draw you're often keeping pairs and trying to draw trips. Keeping an eye out those only drawing one card to make their straight, flush or boat. Again, lots of reading players given the limited card information.

 

[moechar]

Limit or pot limit?

Is it gonna be NL, pot, spread, or fixed?

Still awaiting confirmation but I wanna say limit? Don’t think it’ll be NL or pot

 

[DrStrange]

5-draw
- don't play "stubs" i.e. small pairs. You don't want to be drawing against someone drawing to a better pair. Reverse implied odds suck.
- flush and straight draws aren't so good playing limit. You often can't get paid well enough to try a 4-1 draw on a tight table.
- I never draw two cards. Either three to a pair, or one to a draw / two pair / sets.
- position matters more in draw than other (board) games because to you get to see who draws how many before you decide to draw.

5-stud (1 down / 4 up)
- plays poorly as a big bet game.
- should be looking to fold early when you have a range disadvantage.
- must have some bluff in your game. Even looking at the potential nut hand on the villain side.
- ace as first up card is a must bet card.
- position "moves" around the table as the boards develop. Pay attention.
- also, pay attention to dead cards from folded hands. Remember the dead!

 

[pltrgyst]

5-stud (1 down / 4 up)
- must have some bluff in your game. Even looking at the potential nut hand on the villain side.
- ace as first up card is a must bet card.
- position "moves" around the table as the boards develop. Pay attention.
- also, pay attention to dead cards from folded hands. Remember the dead!

These!

5-draw? Don't waste your time.

 

[Marc Hedrick]

5-draw
- don't play "stubs" i.e. small pairs. You don't want to be drawing against someone drawing to a better pair. Reverse implied odds suck.

- I never draw two cards. Either three to a pair, or one to a draw / two pair / sets.

These statements would make it really easy to play against you, honestly. If you draw three, opponent can you you on literally one of five maybe six hands.

In my limited five card draw experience, drawing two is much better than drawing three. Even to the point where I would draw two with AAx. This changes the shallower stacks get it it's a tournament, of course.

 

[chippitydoodah]

He’s in his 30’s. And hey I don’t do that!

No...you just sun run $100 into $500 in 3 hours then bounce

 

[moechar]

No...you just sun run $100 into $500 in 3 hours then bounce

“Sun run” implies that I just got lucky… what u tryna say

 

[JMC9389]

No...you just sun run $100 into $500 in 3 hours then bounce

Can confirm. Dude spends 4 hours upstairs on conference calls, comes downstairs, buys in for half the big stack in between calls after we card him to make sure he can legally sit at the table, triples up his third hand, then says "gotta go, have my next call", never to be seen or heard from again the rest of the weekend.

 

[Rieguy]

@moechar at the bar after all these fckin fish paid for our drinks:
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[chippitydoodah]

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

@DrStrange laid down the law, I'll just emphasize remembering other people's boards as they're folded. Changes your 8-out open ended straight or your 9-out flush draw into a 3-5 out hand real quick, look around and temper your expectations accordingly.

drawing two is much better than drawing three. Even to the point where I would draw two with AAx. This changes the shallower stacks get it it's a tournament, of course.

Can you walk through why? Not saying you're wrong, just curious to the perspective. I usually prefer to take 1 or 3 as well. I protect my 4-card range by pushing my trips into the take-1 range rather than combining my trips and pairs into take-2.

5Draw is one of the few games where people start looking at the information others give them, they rarely count the outs that have been folded but they'll remember how many cards someone took. Just to say that I don't usually worry too much about balance at the tiny stakes but consider it with draw games.


And as for the small pairs, opponents can put you on Aces through 10s, sure, but that's not a bad place to start a range in. Better than catching a baby two pair and not feeling good about bluff catching the guy who took 1.

 

[Rieguy]

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Hey whatever y'all had to do to get your money back is your business. Clearly it won't be at the poker table.

 

[chippitydoodah]

Hey whatever y'all had to do to get your money back is your business. Clearly it won't be at the poker table.

Vic didn't get any of that money off of me!

 

[moechar]

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