Tourney Ruling. WWYD? (1 Viewer)

[Trihonda]

In the immortal words of Chippy McChipperson, “fold more pre”.

While I don't disagree... I was never folding here, based on the 3bb shove from the button maniac player, and I'm already in for 1bb. Also should note, the button just lost big pot shoving the previous hand with J8o, then ships his remaining 3bb the very next hand., I have a suited ace, I'm way ahead of the buttons shove range, and the late position's limp range. Just so happens the button wakes up with QQ. Oh well.

 

[Taghkanic]

Thanks for all the replies This was a bar tourney, 5 tables. Generally very casual.

While I don’t usually have an issue showing, there was zero potential for collusion, as there wasn’t a side pot to win, and the BB showed the absolute nuts. He was winning the pot, and it was almost instantaneous that he excitedly tabled his top set, and I tossed my losing hand into the muck.

I acknowledge the rule requiring the tabling of hands. The guy was technically in the right to request I show, but his actions were very much an abnormality in this game. To reach into the muck and flip up cards was eyebrow raising to many at the table. He correctly cited the protection against collusion, but as stated, that wasn’t possible in this circumstance. It was an excuse to satiate his curiosity.

I don’t think the absence of a side pot removes all potential for collusion.

In a tournament where every elimination matters, two players working as partners could have an incentive to call wider than normal (to increase the chances of the third player busts).

Not showing hands would increase their ability to collude, because no one gets to see how reasonable their calls were (or weren’t) and thus avoid suspicion.

 

[Hopscotch]

Can”t believe he would do that.

 

[RainmanTrail]

All hands must be turned face up in a tournament setting whenever there is an all-in player and the action has been completed. No exceptions. In every card room on the planet. It's not just about collusion. It's also because players can misread their own hands.

That said, the other random player is a douchebag, and no one is allowed to retrieve cards out of the muck.

 

[SetToBean]

All hands must be turned face up in a tournament setting whenever there is an all-in player and the action has been completed. No exceptions. In every card room on the planet. It's not just about collusion. It's also because players can misread their own hands.

That said, the other random player is a douchebag, and no one is allowed to retrieve cards out of the muck.

IMO it's the sort of situation where a penalty may be in order even in more casual games to make it crystal clear that all disputes must be sorted out through the host/TD, not by breaking multiple rules at once by doing something as insane as sifting through the muck.