Sickest folds ever or is it insanity (1 Viewer)

[Changster]

See, easy fold.

I’m sorta being serious but also sorta being sarcastic, since it’s “QUADS OMG!”

 

[Changster]

Here's what I know: In no-cap buy-in games, there are routinely stacks that are 1000+BB deep. It's not common to get it all in like you would in your typical $1-2 or $2-5 game when you start 50-200 BBs deep and can easily reload if you get felted. By raising to $21k leaving $42k behind, she left herself plenty of latitude to fold - knowing that her opponent could only jam with the nuts. She knew she wasn't paying off if her opponent jammed.

So it's a mindset of extracting max value while minimizing exposure. In short, she surmised a raise of that size would get get called by a couple of hands in her opponents' range... whereas if she raises and induces a fold she earns the same amount as if she'd simply flatted her opponent's reraise - with the added meta-game bonus of not having to table her hand, which against savvy opponents is definitely +EV.

As I think about it... I like the 4-bet raise more than I did when I first read about it. I don't care for any of the early street plays but maybe those lines are standard for that game.

High stakes uncapped, it’s actually not common to have 1000+bb. Maybe 10 years ago. You might see it on LATB with like 3 blinds and an ante but it’s definitely not the norm.

And I agree with you, I like the 4 bet value raise against AA, TT, maaaaybe 88 (stretching it cuz likely won’t 3 bet on the river with that) which are all hands UTG+2 can have. When the 5 bet river shove comes with a gazillion bb’s in the middle and you’re holding the 3rd nuts....

 

[Poquiler]

He had a royal

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IMO, I think it takes more discipline to not table a royal than it does to fold quads. If I make a royal, the table is going to see an off-broadway show from me and my hand.

 

[BGinGA]

Divide the stakes by 100 (including bet and stack sizes), and this plays out a lot differently.

Although it shouldn't.

 

[RocAFella1]

If only there was a bad beat jackpot.

 

[RainmanTrail]

The key to understanding her fold is also key to understanding why the hand played out the way it did on every street. They're playing super deep. It's a completely different game from what most NL players are used to. Battles like this don't occur for no reason between regs in this setting. It's never easy to fold quads, but this is the time to do it. She played the hand well IMO.

I once folded KK on a K559J rainbow board to a river 4bet after I 3bet raised in LIMIT O8 lol. Same action as her hand. Checked around on flop and turn. If I can find a fold there for one more small bet in limit, I can definitely find one here with her QQ.

 

[Josh Kifer]

I would be crapping blood to be even involved with this..... I nearly have a stroke when someone goes all in for 80 bucks.

 

[Rhodeman77]

The key to understanding her fold is also key to understanding why the hand played out the way it did on every street. They're playing super deep. It's a completely different game from what most NL players are used to. Battles like this don't occur for no reason between regs in this setting. It's never easy to fold quads, but this is the time to do it. She played the hand well IMO.

I once folded KK on a K559J rainbow board to a river 4bet after I 3bet raised in LIMIT O8 lol. Same action as her hand. Checked around on flop and turn. If I can find a fold there for one more small bet in limit, I can definitely find one here with her QQ.

Another similar hand that happened in my game while back. When 4 and 5 bets get made on the river they are never not the nuts.

In this hand SB took a long time to call and probably would have folded if we were a lot deeper.

 

[ando5k]

She played this hand so badly its ridiculous. She has no way to tell what his hand is because she missed 2 golden chances to get info by throwing a value/feeler bet out on the flop and turn. You could even say 3 chances because she flatted pre. The only info she had that he has a royal/straight flush is his river action. And a river bluff looks exactly the same as a royal because you can't disqualify that combo because you applied 0 pressure during the hand.

Folding quads is foolish here even with a royal out. There are only 2 combos in the deck that beat you, and folding is playing loss averse because of the size of the bet. If you have the royal/SF in his range to begin with, you should be flatting instead of 4 betting the river for value to begin with.

 

[JRReynolds6181]

But don’t you win some kind of bad beat jackpot by calling? So you’re hedging your bet, right?

 

[Rhodeman77]

But don’t you win some kind of bad beat jackpot by calling? So you’re hedging your bet, right?

If the casino even has a BB jackpot time raked games are almost always excluded from it and higher stakes games are all time rake.

 

[arrboston]

I have to agree with Poquiler 's comment earlier. How do you not table a Royal? That's the real story if that was actually his hand...

 

[JRReynolds6181]

What a bummer that they don’t get the bad beat jackpot! Pretty obvious that I don’t play a lot of high stakes poker at this level in the casino. Lol

 

[Mr Winberg]

I have never played at a high stakes game that has a bad beat jackpot.

 

[Anthony Ferguson]

Jonathan Little believes it was a relatively easy fold:

 

[BGinGA]

I have never played at a high stakes game that has a bad beat jackpot.
Not only that, but:
I have never played at a high stakes game that has a bad beat jackpot.
I have never played at a high stakes game that has a bad beat jackpot.

But never folding quads, unless there's 4-to-a-straight flush or a full-house on the board. And maybe not even then.

And if he claimed to have had a royal but didn't show, I think he's leveling her. KKd makes sense, given the betting. She got played.

 

[Highli99]

Divide the stakes by 100 (including bet and stack sizes), and this plays out a lot differently.

Although it shouldn't.

I agree with this sentiment. Usually when I hear about ”huge” lay downs I presume someone was playing higher than they are bankrolled for, unless they had a really good live read. I doubt I will ever fold quads.

Usually a huge fold looks something like this: