Which site are you referring too?
It wasn't started here, but may well end here.
nitzilla
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**The Official Unofficial CPS Thread** (2 Viewers)
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Which site are you referring too?
It wasn't started here, but may well end here.
nitzilla
I grabbed a set from from another member. I hope I like them because they look awesome!
bivey
Full House
Invoice paid.
Whoa! Ya, I'd say that's more than expected. I was assuming he'd use large/medium flate rate boxes... I ordered 2600 chips, so was thinking two LFR boxes.. Those run under $18 each, so $36.00 total. The FR boxes are free... The shipping costs $36. Now, when I calculate a LFR ONE-day, that comes to $44... I'd confirm with Joe what he's using. I'll pay 2/3 less for waiting an extra day...
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I agree not sweating it, just not what I expected. I just had to explain the cost to my wife, it was more then I had told her. I knew about the 50¢ cardboard box chip holders from previous orders but honestly forgot to add that into my cost. Final cost is just under 28.5¢/chip no complaints, can't wait to see them on my table.
From invoice:
11 chipbox CARDBOARD BOX CHIP HOLDER 0.50 - 5.50
1 freight charges shipping/ 2 boxes 46.00 - 46.00
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grandgnu
A new beginning
Huh, you're selling your set as soon as you get it?
As far as I was aware the shipping to the US was factored into the price per chip already, just the shipping from Florida to you was going to be extra. FWIW I have roughly 1200 chips ordered and my costs were listed as:
$40 shipping
8 x cardboard box chip holders- $4
It's been a while between ordering and receiving these. Perhaps they've changed their minds, or have decided to get a custom set instead.
spikeithard
Flush
yes this. I am selling mine to Tommy since now I have decided to get a Deja tourney set. But i will want a sample set of CPS for sure!
JFCJ
Full House
Yes... I'll be selling a 400 chip micro cash set.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I was tempted to put my blanks up for sale as well, because I have the FDL's in the pipeline. Then I said "what better way to increase home game security than to have 'secondaries' available".
It's now going to be a race to see which set arrives first.
It's now going to be a race to see which set arrives first.
This was MY understanding as well. Everything discussed about shipping prior to/during this GB was about Flat Rate boxes, how many chips would fit in, etc.... People asked that question a lot, what's shipping going to be? The response was to calculate how many chips x number of FR boxes required...
I recall that the cost of shipping them from China was supposed to be ONE of the justifications for the 2/3 price jump between these and the previous GB attempt. If my recollection on this is wrong, please correct me.
Now that said, it's still a great deal, which isn't unreasonable, it's just not the deal I remember entering into. Will I sweat it? (in principle, probably a little), but will I pay it, sure will - also with having to explain to the wife...
OK, searched, and post #32 here clarifies that PGI was factoring in shipping from China/VATs etc... in their per chip pricing.
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/palm-...nship-poker-series-group-buy.html#post1236387
its alot more then that- 25c for a quality chip is extremely inexpensive-
numbers are meaningless unles someone can produce a quality chip- similiar to the private cardroom chip- only this time there will be no variations in chip thickness- at least I pray LOL-
theres a reason the other factory bowed out- I know what it costs me to have a chip made and trust me- I cant come in at the original GB price- but I CAN make the chip and therein lies the difference. Weve done it before.
All I can do is: figure out mold costs- freight costs- a small profit- and put the numbers out to the masses- but I can deliver-
if someone feels that say .22 to .25 per chip is too much and they like the original price- they are free to design a mold- hire a mold maker- talk with a molding company, talk to a printer- and they can handle things- perhaps.
I dont want to run a group buy- and order chips and invest money and not see a profit until I sell off the inventory I was forced to buy in order to meet factory requirements- thats why the price is going to be higher then the original group buy price- which honestly- I doubted would ever happen.
I havnt seen the European version- and lets face it- these aint ASM chips or Paulsons- but by the time you factor in brokers fees, trucking fees from port to the warehouse-the new china VAT- oceanfreight costs- insurance costs- mold costs- edm costs- printing costs- unloading the chips- pulling orders-
it sort of makes 25c sound like a bargain!!
So, am I going to be flamed for speaking up about this? I don't really think we should be paying for overseas container shipment, when all that was factored into the price of the chip. And, when we asked about shipping costs, we were told to figure out the number of chips that fit into FRB's and do the math... Now, I was calculating $30-40 reshipping costs. If my shipping costs are double what was expected, then I think that's not what was agreed upon. Is it still a decent price overall for the chips? Sure, but not what was agreed upon.
Now, I haven't received my invoice yet, but I'm a bit concerned since p5woody's was $46 for 1600 chips, and I didn't expect my shipping to be that much for the 2600 chips I ordered. I'll wait and see where I land, but I don't expect to pay twice for shipping from China and VAT, etc...
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atomiktoaster
Full House
That thought qualifies you for chip psychosis symptom of the week...
Redbelly
Flush
Received my invoice yesterday and all paid up! Extremely excited to see these chips!
Got my invoice and paid yesterday. I had Kim remove the shipping costs since I will be going to PGI to pick them up in person, along with a birdcage and racks if Joe's got 'em. I might even pick up a pachislo machine if I still have a little cash left from the Xmas budget.
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grandgnu
A new beginning
I might even pick up a pachislo machine if I still have a little cash left from the Xmas budget.
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Ben
Full House
Shipping costs from any commercial vendor will include insurance and signature confirmation - totally standard.
Which amounts to about a $19 hard cost just for the USPS Medium Flat Rate Box (about 800 chips). Two of those would be $38 plus the cost of packing materials and sorting/shipping labor. $46 doesn't seem unreasonable for a 1600 chip order -- not to mention that we're talking an extra 1/2-penny per chip.
Flamed? Nah. But if I needed to explain every $8 purchase I make to my wife, I'd be on the short list to get a new wife.
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Sorry for the noob question, how are the labels applied and what material are they made of?
Factory labels (vinyl?) are adhesive-backed with a thin laminated layer (plastic?) added on top for protection.
After-market labels are typically better quality printing and usually thicker materials, but more costly. Factory labels usually run 1/2-cent each or so, after-market labels can cost up to 10-15 cents each or more, but come in a variety of shapes and textures, sometimes with long-lasting UV-cured adhesive.
Mr Tree
Straight Flush
Flamed? Nah. But if I needed to explain every $8 purchase I make to my wife, I'd be on the short list to get a new wife.
Heh,
My threshold is far greater than $8....
Dave and Ben, I agree there will be some extra costs involved. However, any commercial vendor will not be paying residential walk-in prices. Using just the "online pricing" (which I used when I was shipping out of my home as an eBay seller). I calculated a MFRB package from FL to WI and with $200 of added insurance, it came to $14.60. In the discussions about shipping, it was said that 875 chips could fit into a MFRB. Not sure if that's accurate, but lets say we're close. p5woody would have needed two of these (for a total of $29.20 in basic costs). The "packing materials" are being partially paid for by the buyers (with the $.50 boxes). So in p5woody's case, he was invoiced $46 on a $29.20 USPS bill, which is close to $17 extra. Not including the $.50 boxes. I'm looking at needing 3-4 MFRB's, so I'm looking at way more than $17 extra.
All that said, if my invoice for shipping was a mere $8 (or even $16) dollars more than expected, I wouldn't bat an eyelash. If it's $30-40 more ($70-80 total)? I'll still pay, but I might not be quite as happy about it.
Anyway, I'm excited about this chips.
AfterTheFact
4 of a Kind
I just received a medium flat rate box with 900 chips. I do not recommend it. It was beat to death and a miracle only two chips were lost. That many chips is just way too heavy for a medium-size box.
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grandgnu
A new beginning
Not even close, they were still invoicing last I knew. Most likely we'll see them late January/early February I think
Yeah, I'm still waiting on my final invoice.....
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