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Things That Are Bullsh*t (9 Viewers)

mburnznj said:
A guy in our home game likes to deal the board out in advance when it's his turn. Drives me nuts.
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Eriks said:
I’ve had such players. Completely unacceptable, you need to start slapping some wrists
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Yup, my apes get away with an awful lot but I finally shut that down once one of the gibbons flipped the river before the turn card because it was funny.
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
Yup, my apes get away with an awful lot but I finally shut that down once one of the gibbons flipped the river before the turn card because it was funny.
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Wow that's pretty bad. Big picture, I don't care too much about predealt boards - it's annoying, but whatever. But turning the river card first because it's funny? That kind of disrespect for the game would send me through the roof. That's so bad, I honestly don't know how I'd react.
 
upNdown said:
Wow that's pretty bad. Big picture, I don't care too much about predealt boards - it's annoying, but whatever. But turning the river card first because it's funny? That kind of disrespect for the game would send me through the roof. That's so bad, I honestly don't know how I'd react.
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It was pretty damn tilting, especially because I already had a flush, the river was a 4th spade (scaring him away) but the actual turn card would've completed his straight. My blood pressure is rising just remembering that.
 
Eriks said:
I’ve had such players. Completely unacceptable, you need to start slapping some wrists
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NotRealNameNoSir said:
Yup, my apes get away with an awful lot but I finally shut that down once one of the gibbons flipped the river before the turn card because it was funny.
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Though I agree that it’s better not to pre-deal the board, I have a player that likes to do this so he doesn’t forget to burn. At the end of the day, I never said anything because…what’s the big deal?
 
mburnznj said:
A guy in our home game likes to deal the board out in advance when it's his turn. Drives me nuts.
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elemeno said:
Though I agree that it’s better not to pre-deal the board, I have a player that likes to do this so he doesn’t forget to burn. At the end of the day, I never said anything because…what’s the big deal?
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The burn card is used to ensure that no one can predetermine what the next card will be, so if the pre-deal is allowed you might as well skip the burn altogether
 
elemeno said:
Though I agree that it’s better not to pre-deal the board, I have a player that likes to do this so he doesn’t forget to burn. At the end of the day, I never said anything because…what’s the big deal?
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So he doesn't forget to burn? Put him in the corner for 5 minutes dealing to himself until he gets the muscle memory lol, I run a beginner game (brand spankin new players for nickels and dimes) and they figure it out pretty quick.

So he's gonna slowly deal the board out in one fell swoop, what if someone mucks into a face down board card? What if he loses track of his burn cards? What if he forgets to burn while doing his pre-deal ritual? If he's forgetting the basic order of events for dealing, I'm also worried about his control of the game and would have to watch him anyways.

Standardizing how poker is dealt is an easy way to keep it secure. Less worried about card marks (intentional or otherwise) showing on the table for minutes, less worried about someone forgetting that Tom does it his special way and being confused, less chances there's a misdeal. Not a huge deal, sure, but keeping it the same and clear each time is a good way to run a game. Sure, a competent dealer can keep it all straight and make sure the board stays separate and tracks pots + burn cards + his own hand + the muck, but we're talking about a player who isn't a competent dealer. This just gives him more face down cards to mess-up.
 
Eriks said:
The burn card is used to ensure that no one can predetermine what the next card will be, so if the pre-deal is allowed you might as well skip the burn altogether
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But if he’s burning for the pre-dealt board, the effect is the same?
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
No, the cards are now revealed on the board, sitting face down. If there are any markings, they will be clear under the light for extended periods.
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I mean, if we’re talking about marked cards, we might as well start worrying about a mechanic or UV marked cards or the sorting autoshuffler and the pre-dealer is the least of our concerns.
 
elemeno said:
I mean, if we’re talking about marked cards, we might as well start worrying about a mechanic or UV marked cards or the sorting autoshuffler and the pre-dealer is the least of our concerns.
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Slippery slope argument. Much easier to accidently or on purpose bend or mark a card vs introducing a specially designed card or shuffler. If we don't care about pre-dealing and marked cards, we should allow the dealer to take the stub under the table and mix it up, right? Why worry about something if we're not worried about everything?

I'm not talking about special contact lenses, I'm just talking the edge slightly bent, or a fingernail mark, or a card-capper-peek mark. The pre-dealing is bullshit, there is no reason to do it.
 
elemeno said:
This is the most compelling reason to me to not pre-deal
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For me, the biggest reason not to do it is when someone mucks and inadvertently tosses their cards right onto or under those cards, or somehow messes them up. Now you have to try and figure out what was actually the right card.
 
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NotRealNameNoSir said:
Slippery slope argument. Much easier to accidently or on purpose bend or mark a card vs introducing a specially designed card or shuffler.

I'm not talking about special contact lenses, I'm just talking the edge slightly bent, or a fingernail mark, or a card-capper-peek mark. The pre-dealing is bullshit, there is no reason to do it.
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I think that’s what I’m trying to point out. You brought up marked cards, not me.


I agree that pre-dealing isn’t great, but I’m just not willing to make a fuss about it with a friend.
 
In a perfect world we would all stick to all the rules 100% of the time. Which would mean a lot of enforcing, including no pre-dealt boards. But I don't mind getting lax with some things at my home game - I'm not going to be the constant rule nazi. If that makes me less of a quality host, no argument here, and sorry you don't want to come back.
 
upNdown said:
In a perfect world we would all stick to all the rules 100% of the time. Which would mean a lot of enforcing, including no pre-dealt boards. But I don't mind getting lax with some things at my home game - I'm not going to be the constant rule nazi. If that makes me less of a quality host, no argument here, and sorry you don't want to come back.
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I’m starting to wonder if people not in the hand are allowed to chat at @NotRealNameNoSir ’s home games (kidding, kidding!)
 
upNdown said:
In a perfect world we would all stick to all the rules 100% of the time. Which would mean a lot of enforcing, including no pre-dealt boards. But I don't mind getting lax with some things at my home game - I'm not going to be the constant rule nazi. If that makes me less of a quality host, no argument here, and sorry you don't want to come back.
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No pre-dealt boards is a much easier ask than enforcing one chip rule or string bets or anything else in the spirit of the game. Last I'll add on this lol because we all agree its a bad thing and leads to bad situations, now we're haggling and comparing it to hacking into autoshufflers, not a productive convo. Glad @elemeno learned why people burn cards.
 
upNdown said:
In a perfect world we would all stick to all the rules 100% of the time. Which would mean a lot of enforcing, including no pre-dealt boards. But I don't mind getting lax with some things at my home game - I'm not going to be the constant rule nazi. If that makes me less of a quality host, no argument here, and sorry you don't want to come back.
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I would argue anything you're lax about isn't really a rule which is 100% acceptable in my book whatever it might be. (It's your right as a host to set the rules you want)

But if IT IS a rule then enforcement isn't hard at all. As long as you're consistent with it.
 

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