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Things That Are Bullsh*t (6 Viewers)

upNdown said:
“Original Ken pricing”
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upNdown said:
I mean to be fair to me, as far as I can recall that price list might be buried in that 40 page “and so it begins” thread, or it may be in some of the sale specific threads………. So searching for the prices is kind of a lot.
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liftapint said:
Mystery price? Really? Who's being lazy now?
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upNdown said:
I mean to be fair to me, as far as I can recall that price list might be buried in that 40 page “and so it begins” thread, or it may be in some of the sale specific threads, but I remember at least once the tiger prices were deleted from a tiger sales thread. So searching for the prices is kind of a lot. And I never called you (or anybody) lazy.
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Obv it’s not a big deal but it’s a little bit like posting chips for sale showing edges only - ”if you know you know”, kinda thing
 
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Prices on NAGBs are so insane, I don't even bother... So I hadn't heard of Ken pricing until this thread.

But let me address your question...

Chippy McChiperson said:
Is it thread crapping to ask "what is the Ken pricing for this rack?" if you're potentially interested? Or even if you're not?
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Probably not, if you're asking what Ken pricing is. But if you want to bitch about listing chips for sale at Ken pricing without saying what Ken pricing is, that probably would be thread crapping.

And it is probably better to post here than in a sales thread.
 
Eriks said:
Obv it’s not a big deal but it’s a little bit like posting chips for sale shoving edges only - ”if you know you know”, kinda thing
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Yeah I’m doubling down on this entire issue. “Ken pricing” reeks of “if you know you know” and that kind of stuff is bad for the hobby. Bullshit, if you will. Our hobby is already tough enough for new people to access. No need to make it any tougher,
 
I guess. If something like that really upsets you enough, even though you have no interest in the chips, I guess this would be the proper place to rant. Just seems there are bigger things to be worried about.
 
upNdown said:
Yeah I’m doubling down on this entire issue. “Ken pricing” reeks of “if you know you know” and that kind of stuff is bad for the hobby. Bullshit, if you will. Our hobby is already tough enough for new people to access. No need to make it any tougher,
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Or, if you're new and unsure of things you can gain knowledge by asking questions. Maybe it's ok to have a little mystique about certain chips you're trying to sell.
 
Chippy McChiperson said:
Or, if you're new and unsure of things you can gain knowledge by asking questions. Maybe it's ok to have a little mystique about certain chips you're trying to sell.
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Its okay to have mystique about something you're selling? Why? Doesn't that seem like silly gatekeeping?

Seems like you're trying to add value to something with mystique, not educate newcomers. Netflix removed reviews because many of their originals were tanking, now they have a mystique about them instead.
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
Its okay to have mystique about something you're selling? Why? Doesn't that seem like silly gatekeeping?

Seems like you're trying to add value to something with mystique, not educate newcomers. Netflix removed reviews because many of their originals were tanking, now they have a mystique about them instead.
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I agree. I don’t see the point. But then I’m a grumpy bastard, I don’t want to have to do research to find out what I’m supposed to pay. Is it one of those if I have to worry about the price, they’re too expensive for me kind of mystique?
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
Its okay to have mystique about something you're selling? Why? Doesn't that seem like silly gatekeeping?

Seems like you're trying to add value to something with mystique, not educate newcomers. Netflix removed reviews because many of their originals were tanking, now they have a mystique about them instead.
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Seems to me you're the one trying to gatekeep how someone sells their chips. Is it wrong to make chips seem more desirable? As a seller, I think that would be a higher priory than educating newcomers who probably aren't in the market for those chips anyway. And again, they can always ask what the price is.
 
Chippy McChiperson said:
Or, if you're new and unsure of things you can gain knowledge by asking questions. Maybe it's ok to have a little mystique about certain chips you're trying to sell.
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I guess listing for “market price” is mysterious enough, and buyers can do their own research.
They need to be educated anyway if they don’t know the cost of things? I think that’s where we are going?
 
This feels like such a non-issue.

People are required to post prices in the Classified's section. The OP thought she was more or less doing that but eventually updated for clarity. Rather than potentially thread-crap, some people decided to discuss it elsewhere. Was the tone from everyone involved the best? Depends, are we judging based on typical PCF decorum? Everyone can now be guided accordingly in the future; use concrete dollar-figures.

Also, someone buy those chips because they're so fcking nice.
 
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Not arguing that the rules are what the rules are on listing prices in sales threads and that is what it is.

However, I think the primary purpose behind the seller notifying potential buyers that the chips are being sold at "Ken's pricing" is not intended to be an arrogant IYKYK statement but, rather, is intended to let the buyer know that the seller is acting in accordance with Ken's stated wishes that those chips not be flipped at higher prices and that the chips are being sold for the original published sale price from the NAGB. IMO that is why you see the reference to Ken's pricing in those sales ads.

Of course, the flippers flipped in private sales instead so, that's some bullshit right there.
 
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Chippy McChiperson said:
Seems to me you're the one trying to gatekeep how someone sells their chips. Is it wrong to make chips seem more desirable? As a seller, I think that would be a higher priory than educating newcomers who probably aren't in the market for those chips anyway. And again, they can always ask what the price is.
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Oh well, now we come back to the conversation that seems to always happen: marketplace vs community. There are rules to how you sell things, thats not gatekeeping, thats usually consumer-protection; a barrier to entry, like not even showing part of the chip because 'vets' already know what they look like, is a better example of gatekeeping part of the hobby.

Yes, people can simply ask, but they usually do, on every TP sales thread. Add all the mystique you want, but I will always prefer clarity. Im not mad about this, fair conversation.

Caveat: I prefer mystique if Im buying a book and someone spoils the ending, then my jimmies are rustled.
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
Oh well, now we come back to the conversation that seems to always happen: marketplace vs community. There are rules to how you sell things, thats not gatekeeping, thats usually consumer-protection; a barrier to entry, like not even showing part of the chip because 'vets' already know what they look like, is a better example of gatekeeping part of the hobby.

Yes, people can simply ask, but they usually do, on every TP sales thread. Add all the mystique you want, but I will always prefer clarity. Im not mad about this, fair conversation.

Caveat: I prefer mystique if Im buying a book and someone spoils the ending, then my jimmies are rustled.
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“What are you reading?”
“Oh that’s a great book, I love at the ending when he pushes the villain out the window!”
 
Tonysquander said:
Not arguing that the rules are what the rules are on listing prices in sales threads and that is what it is.

However, I think the primary purpose behind the seller notifying potential buyers that the chips are being sold at "Ken's pricing" is not intended to be an arrogant IYKYK statement but, rather, is intended to let the buyer know that the seller is acting in accordance with Ken's stated wishes that those chips not be flipped at higher prices and that the chips are being sold for the original sale price from the NAGB. IMO that is why you see the reference to Ken's pricing in those sales ads.

Of course, the flippers flipped in private sales instead so, that's some bullshit right there.
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Thank you, I was coming back here to say the same thing.

I have never viewed "at kens prices" to be slight of hand, trying to be mysterious, IYKYK, or any of those negative interpretations. I've always saw it more as, "Selling them for the well established public offering price, not looking to flip". As were Ken's stated wishes.

But I guess for whatever reason, people want to read negativity into things. Why should I expect any different? PCF gonna PCF. Plenty of negativity to go around, topic doesn't really matter.
 
ekricket said:
“What are you reading?”
“Oh that’s a great book, I love at the ending when he pushes the villain out the window!”
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JMC9389 said:
SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!
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1. I got suspended for fighting in highschool when someone spoiled Lord of the Flies. Just flew off the handle, which is hilarious because of the book.
2. I remember I was very young at a pool party, and HP 5 had come out few days before. I'd read it but birthday boy got it that morning, and someone stuck their head out the window of their pickup truck while driving by and screamed that spoiler at the pool full of kids. Good God, ruined the party, was like something out of a movie. Kid looks at me and said IS THAT TRUE?! And I didn't have my current poker face then. Ran straight into the house and we all went home.
 
Eriks said:
Obv it’s not a big deal but it’s a little bit like posting chips for sale showing edges only - ”if you know you know”, kinda thing
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Edges only on well known chips, beats the hell out of ads that don't sufficiently show the edges, so condition of the chips can be evaluated. This is a FAR worse problem, in my opinion, and many many many sellers do this. But if I'm interested in the chips, it's pretty easy to ask the seller for better rack photos. I wish I would have thought to come here to bitch about it instead.
 
liftapint said:
Edges only on well known chips, beats the hell out of ads that don't sufficiently show the edges, so condition of the chips can be evaluated. This is a FAR worse problem, in my opinion, and many many many sellers do this. But if I'm interested in the chips, it's pretty easy to ask the seller for better rack photos. I wish I would have thought to come here to bitch about it instead.
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Sellers don’t have to pick one or the other. Self interest if nothing else. Apparently there are potential customers that prefer edge AND face, as well as listed prices. But maybe it takes too much effort to pull a chip out of the rack and place it face up and take one more photo.

But I agree, it’s not a very big deal. This is the thread to bitch about things that doesn’t really matter though so why not? It’s not directed at you or anyone in particular.
 
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liftapint said:
Thank you, I was coming back here to say the same thing.

I have never viewed "at kens prices" to be slight of hand, trying to be mysterious, IYKYK, or any of those negative interpretations. I've always saw it more as, "Selling them for the well established public offering price, not looking to flip". As were Ken's stated wishes.

But I guess for whatever reason, people want to read negativity into things. Why should I expect any different? PCF gonna PCF. Plenty of negativity to go around, topic doesn't really matter.
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I know I get negative and sarcastic at times, so I’m not going to plead innocent here. But I’ll ask you to look at the big picture for a moment. Regardless of whether you personally intended any kind of IYKYK or gatekeeping when you posted that, can you at least consider that maybe what seems like “the well-established public offering price” is probably an unknown number to the majority of people who read it?
I’m not trying to win here; this isn’t some kind of gotcha. I’m just saying that maybe tiger sellers can learn something here, other than upndown’s going negative.
(And that something is that even though tiger prices might be on the very front of your brains, that isn’t true for the rest of us.)
 
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Real-life Situation

Me: goes into a car dealership. I see a car I like.

Dealer: "Can I help you with anything?"

Me: "Yeah, what's the price on this model, please?"

Dealer: "It's the original RRP."

Me: "Which is?"

Dealer: "Do your own research and find out yourself."

Everyone cool with that, yeah?
 

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