Pinball
Full House
What do you think about a tournament set with non denomination chips?
Tourney Tournament set with non denomination chips (3 Viewers)
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dmoney
Full House
I think this really depends on the details.
Experienced players and/or what most would consider "standard" colors and denoms - I say no problem
Inexperienced players/non-standard colors/unusual denoms - possible nightmare
Experienced players and/or what most would consider "standard" colors and denoms - I say no problem
Inexperienced players/non-standard colors/unusual denoms - possible nightmare
I don't like it at all. At least some of the players will get confused and it ends up adding to the time each player takes to bet thus slowing down the game unnecessarily
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
I would always prefer denominations, but if you are using standardish colors and and have the values posted and an experienced group, it's probably not that big of a deal.
AnteAndy
3 of a Kind
Funny enough this league I've been playing with for years still use dice chips with the same denominations on mostly the same chips the entire leagues life. Most of the veterans still ask which colors are what value every tournament.
BillyBluff
Flush
Most peeps can't remember what day it is. Definitely get denom chips and you'll save yourself repeating yourself over, and over, and over again.
Although I absolute agree with what you’re saying...white/red/green/black? Maybe it’s because I live close to AC and everyone here has been to a casino more than once...but these four colors seem to be pretty locked in people’s minds. Again though, I’m basing this off a T1 or T5 base tourney...happily conceding that other structures are ‘better’ in many’s eyes!
Mr Winberg
Full House
I chose No Way, but what I really mean is "I prefer chips with denoms". My first set was without and I see no reason for going back.
Lol, couldn’t have said it better.
Sal Bandini
Pair
I have players asking what value my denominated chips are, so may as well save money and use non-denominated.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
I hate to confess, this has happened in my game since switching to my customs as well. But usually it's just one person asking at the buy-in, once everyone realizes denominations are there, I don't hear the question again.
I have two sets like this and contrary to popular belief have had no problems with my players knowing what chips are worth what, I say play with smarter players if you've had problems.
I'm torn on this myself. I really want to make a tourney set without denoms. All of my regular players will not have an issue with it, we played for 10 plus years with my HHR set /no denoms. I do have one person who habitually asks what the chip values are even when they are on the chips lol.
I know I've played in casino tourneys with non denominated chips didnt seem to be an issue.
what to do what to do? (first world problems I know)
I know I've played in casino tourneys with non denominated chips didnt seem to be an issue.
what to do what to do? (first world problems I know)
grebe
Full House
I have a set with denoms....albeit small print....and standard colors. People still ask what each is worth. When designing a set, this would be my Number 1 concern.
Big ass numbers on chips is my vote.
Big ass numbers on chips is my vote.
CrazyEddie
Full House
ChipTalker
Flush
I voted No way because of preference not because it cannot be done.
Like others I used a non denom dice set for years before moving up the chip ladder.
Even with color postings we had the occasional small issue or (what is this worth question) but all in all we still had fun and successful tournament and or cash game. It certainly can be done and you will be just fine.
That being said would I ever choose or go back to non denom ... of course not.
It is just better with denoms for all the reasons people above listed.
Like others I used a non denom dice set for years before moving up the chip ladder.
Even with color postings we had the occasional small issue or (what is this worth question) but all in all we still had fun and successful tournament and or cash game. It certainly can be done and you will be just fine.
That being said would I ever choose or go back to non denom ... of course not.
It is just better with denoms for all the reasons people above listed.
Sal Bandini
Pair
What's worse than non-denominated chips is denominated chips used with a multiplier. So tilting. Just buy the correct chips.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
100% this. Multipliers are an awful idea, non denom is way preferable to this.
No one tagged me on this thread? What is this site coming to
Mr Winberg
Full House
I almost did, but chickened out!
(In my tourney, which I inherited from other prior hosts, we used non-denoms for 6+ years. Unusual color progression. Never an issue, despite it being a two-table game with a roster of about 30 regs and semi-regs. No one had trouble with it. Good players memorized the color values within an orbit of two; regs totally internalized it. If someone new joined, we had a key card they could use. Few if any referenced it more than a couple times before catching on.)
I’ve argued before—with little success—that if you are expending mental effort in a game literally reading the value of chips off the label, you probably are probably going to lose no matter what the chips look like.
As long as the colors are distinct enough for visual recognition, that is the only real cue needed. After that, spots and distinct inlay shapes are more likely to be “read” across a table than some of the tiny type people put on chips.
I’ve argued before—with little success—that if you are expending mental effort in a game literally reading the value of chips off the label, you probably are probably going to lose no matter what the chips look like.
As long as the colors are distinct enough for visual recognition, that is the only real cue needed. After that, spots and distinct inlay shapes are more likely to be “read” across a table than some of the tiny type people put on chips.
Yes, with reservations. But denoms are always preferred.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Well, some pr0n may get me to change my vote.
Or, for the thrifty, denom on one side only!
Mr Winberg
Full House
The reasons I like denoms is not because I need to read them all the time. I think most people see the green chips with the pink spots and instantly know it's 25 without having to read the label. The reasons I like denoms are:
1. Among my crowd it's luxurious. Most hosts here have undenominated dice chips. Even though china clays are (a bit) more luxurious than dice chips, it's the denom that does it for my players, not the feel. Would be the same if I owned Paulsons.
2. It's nice to not need to explain the denoms each tourney.
3. It's even nicer to explain to the new guy (who is used to playing with undenominated chips and asked a bit too quickly which color is worth what) in a veeery sarcastic tone:
Me: "you see, the green with pink spots and the big 25, that one is worth 25"
Him: "oh, I didn't see the..."
Me: "...and the black chip with blue spots..."
Him: "yeah, no worries, I g..."
Me: "...with the big 100 on it..."
Him: "a hundred, I kn..."
Me: "...is worth a hundred."
Him: "I KNOW!! I SEE IT NOW..."
Me: "...And the purple chips..."
Him: "FOR F*CK'S SAKE, SHUT THE F@CK UP!!!"
4. Most of all, for me the denom is not "in the way" of other design possibilities, which I think you wrote in the other thread. IMO it is a natural part of the chip, it fits in and complements the design. When I see beautiful non-denominated chips, I still feel that something is missing.
Highly subjective list, of course
The reasons I like denoms is not because I need to read them all the time. I think most people see the green chips with the pink spots and instantly know it's 25 without having to read the label. The reasons I like denoms are:
1. Among my crowd it's luxurious. Most hosts here have undenominated dice chips. Even though china clays are (a bit) more luxurious than dice chips, it's the denom that does it for my players, not the feel. Would be the same if I owned Paulsons.
2. It's nice to not need to explain the denoms each tourney.
3. It's even nicer to explain to the new guy (who is used to playing with undenominated chips and asked a bit too quickly which color is worth what) in a veeery sarcastic tone:
Me: "you see, the green with pink spots and the big 25, that one is worth 25"
Him: "oh, I didn't see the..."
Me: "...and the black chip with blue spots..."
Him: "yeah, no worries, I g..."
Me: "...with the big 100 on it..."
Him: "a hundred, I kn..."
Me: "...is worth a hundred."
Him: "I KNOW!! I SEE IT NOW..."
Me: "...And the purple chips..."
Him: "FOR F*CK'S SAKE, SHUT THE F@CK UP!!!"
4. Most of all, for me the denom is not "in the way" of other design possibilities, which I think you wrote in the other thread. IMO it is a natural part of the chip, it fits in and complements the design. When I see beautiful non-denominated chips, I still feel that something is missing.
Highly subjective list, of course
I tend to prefer minimalist design, which typically strips away unnecessary elements. I see denoms as unnecessary elements of label/inlay design *in private games where all or virtually all* players are regs. If I were switching chipsets every session, or had different players every week, or hosting a public game, I might feel differently.
You say you like not having to explain the chip values every time you host. Are you hosting lots of strangers, or do you have high turnover among your guests? Then I suppose denoms might make sense, though a couple of printed cards with the values on each table would also spare you from explaining.
Thought experiment: Say you go to Hell after you die and are forced to play in a tourney every day which uses non-denom chips. You are never told the values of each day’s colors, only the blind structure and the total starting stacks. The other players are told the actual denoms.
How long would it take each day to figure out the chip values?
My answer is that it should not take more than a few hands. Maybe only 1 hand. Unless Satan is being really cruel with his starting stack structure, in which case it might have to wait for a big hand or for blinds to go up to deduce the higher value chips.
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