Very average ordinary play (edited from previous title) (1 Viewer)

[Perthmike]

I was trying to represent the 5 giving me a lower boat. Hoping that he had the 5. I obviously failed.

I've played with you a bit and based on that history i would put you down as a tighter type player.

So you can try to rep a 5, and I'd consider it in your flop and maybe turn betting range, but no way I'd give you credit for a 5 on the river.

Now if drunk @CraigT78 pulls the same move, I'm fistpump snap calling

 

[Marhault]

I've played with you a bit and based on that history i would put you down as a tighter type player.

So you can try to rep a 5, and I'd consider it in your flop and maybe turn betting range, but no way I'd give you credit for a 5 on the river.

Now if drunk @CraigT78 pulls the same move, I'm fistpump snap calling

I'm definitely a tighter player I'm not gonna lie. I do try to vary it a bit though. Open my ranges depending on the players betting not just position

 

[Perthmike]

I'm definitely a tighter player I'm not gonna lie. I do try to vary it a bit though. Open my ranges depending on the players betting not just position

Im also fairly tight player i would say, so it's certainly not a knock. But I know you aren't a maniac. And it's mostly maniacs that would pull that move all the way to the river.

 

[horseshoez]

maniac

Someone call my name? What can I do for you?

 

[Mojo1312]

As suggested above, quads are quads. Do you think he should have called it something else?

Anyway, I agree that this was a good fold but not some cray crystal ball fold. Given the preflop action, I could only conclude that OP had Ace rag. QQ is as unlikely as AJ here, but as somebody else said, it's not difficult to believe OP had some kind of ace.

Simply stating that there are instances where language matters when breaking down hands.

 

[Natskule]

I've played with you a bit and based on that history i would put you down as a tighter type player.

So you can try to rep a 5, and I'd consider it in your flop and maybe turn betting range, but no way I'd give you credit for a 5 on the river.

Now if drunk @CraigT78 pulls the same move, I'm fistpump snap calling

I'd have given him credit for an A5.

Bet to much to get paid, no way you didn't have the case A.

 

[TheWhat]

It's becoming aparent that I'm a terrible poker player and the guy that regularly chases garbage, shoves with low pocket pairs is an idiot savant. My bad.

Like to give folks a chance to bluff in these spots, especially the types that like to chase.

 

[BGinGA]

It's becoming aparent that I'm a terrible poker player and the guy that regularly chases garbage, shoves with low pocket pairs is an idiot savant. My bad.

No offense intended, but have you been drinking? Sounds a little hostile, given the otherwise civility of the discussion so far.....

 

[Marhault]

No offense intended, but have you been drinking? Sounds a little hostile, given the otherwise civility of the discussion so far.....

No it's just amazing to me how many experts there are when they know the whole situation. Everyone always makes the perfect play in hindsight. Like I said, must just be my terrible play I guess, because in the moment it seemed like a laydown that no one would have expected from that particular player.

I find it hard to believe that I'd be the only player here that would likely pay off a measly 6 dollar bet on the chance a guy had quads or slow played KK, QQ or JJ.

 

[Jimulacrum]

No it's just amazing to me how many experts there are when they know the whole situation. Everyone always makes the perfect play in hindsight. Like I said, must just be my terrible play I guess, because in the moment it seemed like a laydown that no one would have expected from that particular player.

I find it hard to believe that I'd be the only player here that would likely pay off a measly 6 dollar bet on the chance a guy had quads or slow played KK, QQ or JJ.

The $6 bet isn't measly, though. It's a pot-sized bet in a spot where everything about your action says you have the ace.

 

[Silver_Fiend]

No it's just amazing to me how many experts there are when they know the whole situation. Everyone always makes the perfect play in hindsight. Like I said, must just be my terrible play I guess, because in the moment it seemed like a laydown that no one would have expected from that particular player.

I find it hard to believe that I'd be the only player here that would likely pay off a measly 6 dollar bet on the chance a guy had quads or slow played KK, QQ or JJ.

Thats just it though, we dont dont jack about you (most of us anyway) and especially about your opponent. Youre asking about opinions so we dont have YOUR experience. Without knowing the players, I have to assume everyone is a basic player who bets their hand and isnt likely to be bluffing.

 

[Marhault]

The $6 bet isn't measly, though. It's a pot-sized bet in a spot where everything about your action says you have the ace.

What about my action shows I have an A? Have you played on WC? People 3 barrel bluffs all day long. Myself included.

 

[Rhodeman77]

What about my action shows I have an A? Have you played on WC? People 3 barrel bluffs all day long. Myself included.

3 barrel bluffs aren’t as common as you make it sound. Many many people give up after the turn. But when they do make bluffs it is usually when they were semi bluffing a big draw that missed and have no showdown value.

on this board what bluffs do you have?

if you don’t have an A here are you really betting 3 streets hoping he hasn’t been calling you the whole time with an Ace?

 

[BEANO52]

I was trying to represent the 5 giving me a lower boat. Hoping that he had the 5. I obviously failed.

What range limps from middle position with a 5? I'd guess a 1/2 pot bet would have worked.

 

[horseshoez]

What range limps from middle position with a 5?

Oh I got one at my game that does that. All too familiar with it he’ll limp from MP with the NHLE Hand Ranking card, never mind a 5.

 

[BEANO52]

Oh I got one at my game that does that. All too familiar with it he’ll limp from MP with the NHLE Hand Ranking card, never mind a 5.

Marhault said he was "representing a 5", I mean from the TT side, wondering what range would limp from MP with a 5. For a loose player to fold TT I agree is strong.

Spoiler

A5s is 90% of the time it with maybe 5% A5x

 

[horseshoez]

Marhault said he was "representing a 5", I mean from the TT side, wondering what range would limp from MP with a 5. From loose player, I agree TT is strong fold.

Spoiler

A5s is 90% of the time it with maybe 5% A5x

Oh I was just having a flash backs from the guy at our game who will play 95off as if they’re AA lol

 

[Eriks]

Who the hell checks TT in the bb after a bunch of limpers?

Also a board that changes this drasticly flop>turn>river isn’t a really good 3-barreling bluff candidate. The hand that makes most sense is Ax. Certainly a reasonable fold on his part.

edit: misread the hand. Thought flop was Axx, turn A, river A. Still not unreasonable.

 

[Thomacetti]

Hand #234870-123 - 2020-12-19 20:41:20
Game: NL Hold'em ($1 - 25) - Blinds 0.10/0.20
Site: Windy Crest Poker
Table: NLHE 6 (.10/.20)
Seat 1: Woolworth (33.35)
Seat 2: SuitedAces (45.15)
Seat 3: Viking (38.30)
Seat 4: Shippy24 (38.60)
Seat 5: Marhault (45.75)
Seat 6: Lazer (31.25)
Seat 7: Beakertwang (25)
Seat 8: TheDealer (23.10)
Seat 9: UHave2Outs (24.60)
UHave2Outs has the dealer button
Woolworth posts small blind 0.10
SuitedAces posts big blind 0.20
** Hole Cards ** [9 players]
Dealt to Marhault [Jh Ac]
Viking folds
Shippy24 folds
Marhault calls 0.20
Lazer folds
Beakertwang folds
TheDealer calls 0.20
UHave2Outs calls 0.20
Woolworth calls 0.10
SuitedAces checks
** Flop ** [As Ad 5s]
Woolworth checks
SuitedAces checks
Marhault bets 0.50
TheDealer calls 0.50
UHave2Outs folds
Woolworth folds
SuitedAces calls 0.50
** Turn ** [Ah]
SuitedAces checks
Marhault bets 1.20
TheDealer calls 1.20
SuitedAces calls 1.20
** River ** [Tc]
SuitedAces checks
Marhault bets 6
TheDealer folds
SuitedAces folds and shows [Td Th]
Marhault refunded 6
Marhault wins Pot (6)
Rake (0.10) Pot (6.10) Players (Woolworth: 0.20, SuitedAces: 1.90, Viking: 0, Shippy24: 0, Marhault: 1.90, Lazer: 0, Beakertwang: 0, TheDealer: 1.90, UHave2Outs: 0.20)
Marhault shows [Jh Ac]

What I'm wanting to know. Is on what card reading planet would the guy who folded the 10's put me on quads, because what else could he have put me on besides quads? He folded a boat with top bottom to a pot sized river bet....I mean, that's one of the biggest laydowns I've seen in a loooong time. Someone tell me I'm just wrong here.

@Beakertwang

GIF Recap from the turn:

Marhault

Villain

Marhault

Villain

Marhault

Villain

Marhault

Villain

 

[rowlin]

Do you normally have success representing tricky plays in online $0.10/$0.20?

 

[JMC9389]

No it's just amazing to me how many experts there are when they know the whole situation. Everyone always makes the perfect play in hindsight. Like I said, must just be my terrible play I guess, because in the moment it seemed like a laydown that no one would have expected from that particular player.

I find it hard to believe that I'd be the only player here that would likely pay off a measly 6 dollar bet on the chance a guy had quads or slow played KK, QQ or JJ.

I don't think you're a bad player. In the grand scheme of things, $6 isn't much, but in the context of a 0.10/0.20 game, it's a huge bet. I signed up for WC but haven't played there, so I can't say I really know how the game plays.

Playing my 0.10/0.20 game live, I will say this though. I never bet pot on the river in NLHE unless I'm trying to protect my 2nd or 3rd nutted hand and I'm not convinced that the villain has the nuts. Again, just me personally speaking, I usually don't tend to bet more than 1/2 or in very rare instances 2/3 pot with the stone cold nuts if the hand gets to show down with a call. I find I get paid off more with smaller bets from a competent player than those huge "I have the nuts GTFO my way" pot size or greater bets.

I certainly meant no hostility in my analysis, just trying to give you some tips for the future to get more value out of these kinds of situations in the future

 

[Frogzilla]

Also you are massively underestimating SuitedAces, he’s one of the more skilled players on WCPR

 

[raynmanas]

not to derail, but does this game take new players? I like having other online options. whats the scoop?

 

[Marhault]

not to derail, but does this game take new players? I like having other online options. whats the scoop?

talk to @CraigT78 I'm sure he can hook you up.

 

[WedgeRock]

He's only beat by a hand with an A or KK, QQ, or JJ....

So 44 combos of Ax, 6 combos of KK, 6 combos of QQ and 6 combos of JJ, plus 43 combos of Tx for the chop...

Like to give folks a chance to bluff in these spots, especially the types that like to chase.

This is not a terrible line... Sure you risk not getting paid if he checks back, but if he is a maniac, and he holds two blockers to your AAATT boat, he might perceive your check as weakness and fire. You wait unusually long before jamming. At worst you take it down and you add his river bet to your stack... At best, he doesn't believe you would check quads and calls you down.

I find it hard to believe that I'd be the only player here that would likely pay off a measly 6 dollar bet on the chance a guy had quads or slow played KK, QQ or JJ.

I don't have a lot of experience with this player, but I'd agree that "it's only $6" was at least part of his analysis, making the lay down more frustrating. But on an AAAxx board, its tough to get value...

 

[Ben8257]

Hey Todd, I am pretty much the worst poker player ever! You are aware! Lol I read every comment and I don't think these guys are wrong brother!!

You needed to get more in the pot preflop and post flop.. then only getting to a $6 pot and that truly was a huge bet given the previous streets... not enough equity there to win triple your money with 5th best buddy!

I agree it sucks and you want to get the most you can of of it at the end. But it should have been played stronger and given the monster scary board.. I can definitely see the villan folding here for sure!! I truly agree 1/2 pot here would he your only chance for a call.

Also when in doubt and you want perspective on a hand.. the great @DrStrange always provides the best insight in my opinion. As a just bad inexperienced card player (I mean myself... not anyone else here) I have never skipped a single word when this man has taken the time to break down situations. He knows how to help you understand the situation... I absolutely look forward to one day shaking his hand but fear another seat at the same table!! Lol

Your chippin buddy Ben

 

[RowlettTexasChipGuy]

No it's just amazing to me how many experts there are when they know the whole situation. Everyone always makes the perfect play in hindsight. Like I said, must just be my terrible play I guess, because in the moment it seemed like a laydown that no one would have expected from that particular player.

I find it hard to believe that I'd be the only player here that would likely pay off a measly 6 dollar bet on the chance a guy had quads or slow played KK, QQ or JJ.

I would of called in a small stakes game, I am just one of those players that likes to see good hands, and would of payed you off 88% of the time, bigger money it would be 50/50, depending on how I had been rolling so far that day

Now saying that, it is not hard to put you on an A, you even said you are a tighter player, that means your starting hands have a smaller footprint, like and A, and if board pops AA on the flop a tighter player is going to bail unless he has the A

 

[Marhault]

I would of called in a small stakes game, I am just one of those players that likes to see good hands, and would of payed you off 88% of the time, bigger money it would be 50/50, depending on how I had been rolling so far that day

Now saying that, it is not hard to put you on an A, you even said you are a tighter player, that means your starting hands have a smaller footprint, like and A, and if board pops AA on the flop a tighter player is going to bail unless he has the A

When I say tight I'm not saying I play only top 10 hands or Aces. I have a wide range depending on position and players in hand.

Either way though I get it. I played it wrong. Still seems strange to me from this particular player.

 

[Highli99]

Some good analysis here and I agree with it, but wouldn't it be funny if the villain just misclicked?

A player that can check 10s pre without raising is sure to be able to lay then down on the river.

 

[Marhault]

Some good analysis here and I agree with it, but wouldn't it be funny if the villain just misclicked?

A player that can check 10s pre without raising is sure to be able to lay then down on the river.

WC is filled with calling stations. In all honesty depending on the table there's limited advantage to pushing your top hands pre flop. You'll bet 10bb with something like 10's and have 6 callers. most of them with stuff like 4/6 off suit.

He couldn't have accidentally did it though because he showed his fold.