Was trying to buy some chips to play craps... (1 Viewer)

[JustDave]

yeah the table banks i've seen we're talking like if you have $500s, there's going to be 80 as a minimum. (of course if you're playing them rather than figuring them as color or the occasional wild bet that's just a weak start) but the $100s are a more respectable 160 pcs to 240 pcs, & what let's say, 640 pcs of $25, 800 $5s & 800 $1s

Your numbers are pretty close to where I was just scaled down for not doing as many total chips. Also why I went with a cheaper ceramic given the volume, the picture about is what ~2500 chips? I keep mine 100% mobile as I can't do a permanent table even a scaled down one, but that would be an awesome thing to have.

When we play more serious 'practice' $20:$200(which is very rare) I have WAY more chips than is needed of any denomination.

When we play 'just for fun' $20:$2000 people almost always do something stupid with their $500 chip at some point like field bet it all at the same time when someone notoriously bad at rolling has the dice. Not really practical/realistic but it adds a bunch of enjoyment to the group. I've yet to really get 'low' on a color though I'm sure it will happen one time when the table is really hot.

I've felt with craps instead of poker you need a lot more chips than are in players hands given poker is zero sum and you only need additional chips to color, whereas in craps the number of chips the bank needs to be accounted as a player as well.

One thing for you craps guys is all of the players and the bank keep their chips in trays when we play craps. When we play poker people I've noticed take the chips out and make stacks, but when we play craps everyone just leaves them in trays. Maybe because when we play craps we are used to having the rail and the chips in front of us? Not really sure.

Do you all have some suggestions for nicer chip trays for home games? I think I've got trays for storage and transportation down, and I've seen a few wooden ones in a few user pictures, but looking for something a bit nicer for playing with.

Dave

 

[markleteenie]

double for the 2 triple the 12.

Do you have a table/setup? Any pictures?

 

[Poker Zombie]

With all the delays in the garage construction, I'm most likely not going to get a table this summer...but the chips are purchased and I'll build the 12' table later. Here is a mock of what the chips will be in the layout. 800- 1s, 1120 - 5s, 480 - 25s, 160 - 100s, 40 - 500s, 40 - 1000s
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We won't make 2020, but 2021 or 2022, we're in!

 

[allforcharity]

Do you all have some suggestions for nicer chip trays for home games? I think I've got trays for storage and transportation down, and I've seen a few wooden ones in a few user pictures, but looking for something a bit nicer for playing with.

I know that @T_Chan in the past has done wooden chip trays which can be laser etched and stained.

 

[BSteck]

I've felt with craps instead of poker you need a lot more chips...

Oooo.... this looks like great justification to build a craps set. You know - just in case.

 

[dimperdoo]

Do you have a table/setup? Any pictures?

i don't

those tables are at work

 

[markleteenie]

I only have practical experience with odds from a $5 or $10 table perspective. And in these situations, the $5s and $25s seem to be the workhorse. with $1s needed for payout/odds/sucker bets, and $100s for winning big bets.

I'm talking from a play money/tournament perspective, never planning on actually running a game with the HOUSE.
I'm curious if anyone has thought of a good breakdown per player. For instance, if you're playing a $5 table, maybe estimating $300 buy in per player with $700 winnings = $1000 bank per player? So if you have max 8 handed table, then maybe 8000-10000 in bank?

 

[JustDave]

So from my experience both in home games where we teach people to play craps, and in games in casinos, you use a lot more 1s than you'd naturally thing. This is a function of craps payouts being based on odds which don't normally break evenly along 5 or 10 dollar denominations.

The easiest bet to explain this with is a place bet on the 6 at a 5 dollar table. If you put 5 dollars on the 6 which pays 6:7 then you will win 5 dollars. You should win like 5.83 dollars but the casino doesn't make change and they ALWAYS round down. Instead on that place bet you bet 6 dollars(I've never not seen a dealer tell a player how to bet this correctly, they will prompt you for the extra dollar and explain it to you in small words if you don't give it to them). That 6 dollar place bet now wins you 7 dollars.

If people are feeling good or you are playing say 10 dollar minimums than this bet is 12 dollars instead of 10 and you are now winning 14. The end result of this is you now have a bunch of ones flying around, many more than you'd probably think.

Also, the sucker bets are there for a reason, people can't help it and they love to bet on them. It gives people a good time so why not. Anyways, these are a lot of 1s as well.

Anyways, long story short, in my 1,000 chip set for dealing craps I have 225 ones. I probably could get by with 150 but I don't regret having them.

 

[markleteenie]

That makes sense. If you had a permanent setup for 8 people rolling, and you could adjust your set breakdown without carrying it around, would you just increase the number of $5s in the set, or keep it as is?

And do you ever use $500s in the $200 buy in?

 

[JustDave]

I have 350x5s, so I probably wouldn't go up. With 8 players I deploy half of them.

Do I ever use the 500s for 200 buy ins? No, 200 buy in people get 25x1s, 20x5s and 3x 25s. I don't even bother getting out the 100s or 500s, but it's just 175 chips in the set not being used, so it's not even worth taking the rack out and leaving it at home.

Also, twice when we played with '10x buy in for 200 chips' everyone went but really fast and we bagged the game and everyone rebought at '100x buyin for 2000 chips' so not worth the risk to leave them home.

 

[dimperdoo]

I only have practical experience with odds from a $5 or $10 table perspective. And in these situations, the $5s and $25s seem to be the workhorse. with $1s needed for payout/odds/sucker bets, and $100s for winning big bets

it helps to take a unit perspective & apply it. i.e. a $6 6 is 1 $5 & 1 $1 chip. similarly, a $30 6 is 1 $25 & 1 $5 chip/ the 1 red 1 white pays 1 red 2 white (assuming vegas colors: say a brown & a blue or yellow or whatever you like for your colors) the 1 green 1 red pays 1 green 2 red

$100 chips mess it up but 4 greens & 4 reds makes for 5 greens & 3 red just like 4 reds & 4 white makes for 5 red & 3 white ($120 pays $140, $24 pays $28) if you kick up to a $600 6, 1 purple & 1 black pays 1 purple & 2 blacks.

if you wanted to play at that level, you'd need as many $100 chips as you'd need dollars for a $5 game & as many $500s as you'd need $5s. with those units, once you've done the math, it translates. in a $5 game the $100s can present a challenge & in the $500 game, the $1000s would as well. then you're doing math instead of units anyway.

The easiest bet to explain this with is a place bet on the 6 at a 5 dollar table. If you put 5 dollars on the 6 which pays 6:7 then you will win 5 dollars. You should win like 5.83 dollars but the casino doesn't make change and they ALWAYS round down. Instead on that place bet you bet 6 dollars(I've never not seen a dealer tell a player how to bet this correctly, they will prompt you for the extra dollar and explain it to you in small words if you don't give it to them). That 6 dollar place bet now wins you 7 dollars.

explain this constantly, 5 gets you even money, 6 gets you an extra dollar

The end result of this is you now have a bunch of ones flying around, many more than you'd probably think

this is where the dealer calls for the player to drop a dollar. easiest when you're paying the $12 6/8 (or $10 5/9 & $5 4/10) similarly, a player can drop $3 for $10 on $7 payouts. On $24 6/8 we do $2 for $30 presses on the 6/8 where the dealer takes 2 off, hands the player the rest of the original bet & puts a Green & a red on that player's spot. & a player can drop 2 for 30 just the same

 

[JustDave]

it helps to take a unit perspective & apply it. i.e. a $6 6 is 1 $5 & 1 $1 chip. similarly, a $30 6 is 1 $25 & 1 $5 chip/ the 1 red 1 white pays 1 red 2 white (assuming vegas colors: say a brown & a blue or yellow or whatever you like for your colors) the 1 green 1 red pays 1 green 2 red

^ this exactly.

I don't play any other casino games except Craps and Poker and Poker I only play for fun/home games, so I don't know if this kind of thinking is really prevalent outside of Craps.

With 'drop me a dollar' one thing we try and help people understand is when this will happen for them as we really try and get people trained up for playing at a table. So you'd give them 14 on a 12 dollar bet a bunch of time until they had a bunch of ones and then say 'drop me a dollar' and hand them 15 and see things suddenly click for them.

Additionally, and this is just something I do because I don't see overly well, is it's very hard for me to differentiate 5 chips from 6 chips in a rack(it's a strange thing with my vision), and so I have a tendency to use 1s to seperate groups of chips. So like I'll go 1-25-25-25-25-1-25-25-25-25-1 or 1-5-5-5-5-5-1-5-5-5-5-5-1 and so on when I have chips in a rack in front of me. I know I could use spacers for it in a home game, but in a casino it's a lot easier to just get some ones from the dealers. Because this is a thing I do because I have to, a lot of people I play with do it because I do.

Just another reason we use more 1s.

 

[markleteenie]

At the casino, I also use $1s as spacers. Yeah I've never taught someone craps at home, only ever at the casino, so I think more $1s would probably help facilitate that.

I understand the payouts and also like using units, especially when pressing, it makes things smoother in my mind too. I think that can be hard for some newer people to get, since there is a lot of things happening on the board.