Who the Heck is Ken? (3 Viewers)

[Lil Tuna]

 

[ngmcs8203]

…and here I just want to fantasize about owning a Barbie chipset.

 

[Eriks]

 

[ngmcs8203]

They definitely didn’t watch the movie! Lol

 

[Eriks]

They definitely didn’t watch the movie! Lol

Me either, but I love that clip

 

[ngmcs8203]

Me either, but I love that clip

They have a pregnant Barbie in the movie

 

[BGinGA]

Market price moves by supply and demand, but the original price is still relevant for me and others like me. I like to buy around the initial offering price. If demand pushes it a lot higher, I don't begrudge the sellers, but I personally am not interested. I'll wait for something else.

Does anyone know of a source for previous NAGB prices?

Some nagb chips didn't have an 'initial offering price', as they were not offered for sale publicly -- there were only set/rack/barrel resales from individual set owners.

But pretty much all of the nagb chips were purchased from GPI for prices ranging from $1.25 to $2.50 shipped. Some nagb chips sell for twice that; others sell for 10x that.

 

[improviseallday]

Some nagb chips didn't have an 'initial offering price', as they were not offered for sale publicly -- there were only set/rack/barrel resales from individual set owners.

But pretty much all of the nagb chips were purchased from GPI for prices ranging from $1.25 to $2.50 shipped. Some nagb chips sell for twice that; others sell for 10x that.

Thanks for the details.

Most people cannot walk up to GPI and order a set of chips. Happy to pay a premium to the team.

Less excited about paying a premium to friends and family. Again, I don't mind them making a profit. Just personally not intending to pay the extra.

Who knows, my mind might change when the next NAGB rolls around. But for now, this is where I'm at.

 

[Lil Tuna]

 

[BarrieJ3]

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Schrödingers chips.

Can’t tell if they’re Tina chips or not until we see overhead photos of racks

 

[binoclard]

Honest noob question: And how do you tell?

 

[BarrieJ3]

Honest noob question: And how do you tell?

Honestly overhead looking at faces, for the majority of pics I’d say you can’t.

It’s tribal/siloed knowledge, that over time you’ll just recognize certain sets.

But if the photo is of a rack overhead, you can easily tell clay from non clay at a glance. If nothing else, you can look for the injection spots.

 

[BGinGA]

Can’t tell if they’re Tina chips or not

Honest noob question: And how do you tell?

Honestly overhead looking at faces, for the majority of pics I’d say you can’t.

They are ceramic hybrids, based on the recessed labels clearly visible in the photos. The TRK version has smooth surfaces with no step-down to the inlay area.

 

[ngmcs8203]

They are ceramic hybrids, based on the recessed labels clearly visible in the photos. The TRK version has smooth surfaces with no step-down to the inlay area.

Is it common to be able to see through the label?

 

[BGinGA]

Is it common to be able to see through the label?

Apparently so, with these particular labels and printing process.

Sun-Fly hybrids do not exhibit this effect, as the recessed centers are not printed.

 

[Nanook]

....Can’t tell if they’re Tina chips or not....

Most people won't be able to tell easily. This is going to turn into a shit show.....

Honest noob question: And how do you tell?

That's the problem.... even people that have been around forever and recognize the chips can be fooled.

With great pics and an experienced eye you will be able to tell. Surely there will be a lot of misrepresentations made AND people will be fooled into buying something far different than what they think they are buying.

I'll say it again.....
This IS going to turn into a shit show!

 

[ngmcs8203]

Most people won't be able to tell easily. This is going to turn into a shit show.....


That's the problem.... even people that have been around forever and recognize the chips can be fooled.

With great pics and an experienced eye you will be able to tell. Surely there will be a lot of misrepresentations made AND people fooled into buying something far different than what they think they are buying.

I'll say it again.....
This IS going to turn into a shit show!

I would hope the community would step into the sale thread and say something.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Booyah thankfully I’m mostly done buying.

 

[binoclard]

So… what you are saying, is that they are injection molded plastic chips, with a fake compression mold, sublimation printed fake inserts, and a printed fake inlay within a real recess, that are called ceramics? What is wrong with people?

 

[ngmcs8203]

So… what you are saying, is that they are injection molded plastic chips, with a fake compression mold, sublimation printed fake inserts, and a printed fake label within a real recess, that are called ceramics? What is wrong with people?

Aren’t ceramics plastic? China clays too.

 

[Nanook]

I would hope the community would step into the sale thread and say something.

Here....yes.
e-bay.... far less likely.

I get the whole "buyer beware" but this is next level and imho has the potential to do A LOT of damage to the chipping hobby.

 

[Lil Tuna]

Most people won't be able to tell easily. This is going to turn into a shit show.....


That's the problem.... even people that have been around forever and recognize the chips can be fooled.

With great pics and an experienced eye you will be able to tell. Surely there will be a lot of misrepresentations made AND people will be fooled into buying something far different than what they think they are buying.

I'll say it again.....
This IS going to turn into a shit show!

 

[Josh Kifer]

This IS going to turn into a shit show!

Welcome to PCF. First time?

 

[cpac54]

 

[Nanook]

So… what you are saying, is that they are injection molded plastic chips, with a fake compression mold, sublimation printed fake inserts, and a printed fake inlay within a real recess, that are called ceramics? What is wrong with people?

Partially correct....

Aren’t ceramics plastic? China clays too.

I'm sure some would call everything "plastic" and some will call everything "clay" but there are clearly several different "styles"/types of chips and those of us that have been around chips KNOW what's what.

Tina Clay's or whatever you want to call them are what most would refer to as ceramic poker chips. She/they can copy anything and it will look close to the real thing, but will never be made in the same way as a compression molded chip so they will have a different feel and sound.

ABS or Plastic slugged chips are something completely different and are at the cheapest end of the spectrum.

There are "China Clays" (another sort of plastic) and high end plastic chips (and again another sort of plastic) all of which are different enough to be classified and priced differently.

 

[Nanook]

Welcome to PCF. First time?

Lol....
I don't let much bother me too much so I'll be ok.

 

[BarrieJ3]

I would hope the community would step into the sale thread and say something.

Um…..we do? We step in and say

“amazing chips GLWS”
“can’t believe these are still here” and
“amazing price new people please buy these you won’t regret it”

 

[Lil Tuna]

 

[kk405]

But pretty much all of the nagb chips were purchased from GPI for prices ranging from $1.25 to $2.50 shipped. Some nagb chips sell for twice that; others sell for 10x that.

Dave's numbers are usually very accurate or close to it... but those are pre-pandemic prices... certainly pre-2022 numbers. May even be the right ballpark for RPC chips, but I am not sure... I don't want to speculate... GPI, and the new ownership (Angel), are not immune to the major price increase we've seen for pretty much everything we buy/consume these days: from groceries, to shelter, auto, vacation, restaurants, collectibles, and little clay discs.

Especially in 2022, pretty much every business adopted the mantra of 'let's jack up prices and blame it on pandemic-related shortages, cost of manufacturing rising across the board, there is shortage of, and higher prices for, shipping, etc.'. I don't know if the prices from GPI will continue to stay high...my best guess is yes, and probably going even higher. Demand continues to falter, especially as we see more of their core customers ordering non-clay chips (one only needs to look at so many truly disappointing 'new' plastic/ceramic casino chips being published all over PCF). Their cost basis is unlikely to go down, and, as I mentioned in other posts, clay chips are losing their luster at Angel.

Prices are probably up 50% + ship in temperature-controlled containers and you can easily double or triple cost of shipping... same for storage. And depending on where the chips are, where they ultimately end up, and how they get there...not to mention cost of un-retiring some spot patterns...these costs can add up significantly to the final cost.

Just my two cents.

 

[BGinGA]

Dave's numbers are usually very accurate or close to it... but those are pre-pandemic prices... certainly pre-2022 numbers. May even be the right ballpark for RPC chips, but I am not sure... I don't want to speculate... GPI, and the new ownership (Angel), are not immune to the major price increase we've seen for pretty much everything we buy/consume these days: from groceries, to shelter, auto, vacation, restaurants, collectibles, and little clay discs.

Especially in 2022, pretty much every business adopted the mantra of 'let's jack up prices and blame it on pandemic-related shortages, cost of manufacturing rising across the board, there is shortage of, and higher prices for, shipping, etc.'. I don't know if the prices from GPI will continue to stay high...my best guess is yes, and probably going even higher. Demand continues to falter, especially as we see more of their core customers ordering non-clay chips (one only needs to look at so many truly disappointing 'new' plastic/ceramic casino chips being published all over PCF). Their cost basis is unlikely to go down, and, as I mentioned in other posts, clay chips are losing their luster at Angel.

Prices are probably up 50% + ship in temperature-controlled containers and you can easily double or triple cost of shipping... same for storage. And depending on where the chips are, where they ultimately end up, and how they get there...not to mention cost of un-retiring some spot patterns...these costs can add up significantly to the final cost.

Just my two cents.

So roughly $5/chip shipped in the modern post-pandemic era?