Why I tip more, and why you should too (8 Viewers)

[upNdown]

Also do you tip the cashier on the way out of a winning session

That’s the one that always burns my ass. I’ve been sitting here, reducing my meager winnings by tipping the dealer either a small or big blind out of every pot, and then when I carry my own chips to the counter to cash out, I’m supposed to tip again???
In all seriousness, I’d say I tip the cashier less than half the time and never very much.

 

[bergs]

I’ll say this - the waitresses definitely remember you if you’re a reg at a given property and will give you a better level of service if you tip regularly.

 

[CraigT78]

What do you guys tip if you win a high hand jackpot, say $100, $250, or $500?

Nope.

No to chip runners.

I tipped a cashier once. Horseshoe Bossier City, won $10,000 playing craps. Cashed out, she says we have to to a tax form for $10,000. I peel back a $100 and say how about now? She says nope. Dropped in the tip jar.

The dealer gets $1.

Waitress gets more. She knows what's up.

 

[Highli99]

That’s the one that always burns my ass. I’ve been sitting here, reducing my meager winnings by tipping the dealer either a small or big blind out of every pot, and then when I carry my own chips to the counter to cash out, I’m supposed to tip again???
In all seriousness, I’d say I tip the cashier less than half the time and never very much.

Tipping cashiers is like paying the rake. Only winners do it so it's not a problem for me very often. I tipped the cashier who got me mint racks at resorts world though. She was friendly.

 

[Taghkanic]

Seriously???

You cherry picked three sentences out of a very long post and took the third sentence WAY out of context to try and apply it to the last sentence of the previous paragraph. You can't possibly think that's what it was meant to apply to. C'mon...

What that last sentence does say, that you completely ignored, was that there is no way that a restaurant can go from the current system where 80-90% of their wait staff's pay comes from tips, to a pay structure where the restaurant is paying 100% of their pay out of just the proceeds from food and drink sales, and telling their customers that they no longer need to tip, without raising menu prices.

If you would like to refute that, please give it your best effort.

There is a very good restaurant near me which does not allow tipping.

They just set their prices so as to be able to pay staff properly.

And this restaurant is actually cheaper than most other establishments in the area of a similar (high) quality.

You might expect service to be worse since the customers can’t incentivize it with tips, but I don’t see any difference.

Note: One co-owner is Scandinavian. Maybe that is why they take this approach? Never been to that part of Europe.

 

[Eriks]

There is a very good restaurant near me which does not allow tipping.

They just set their prices so as to be able to pay staff properly.

And this restaurant is actually cheaper than most other establishments in the area of a similar (high) quality.

You might expect service to be worse since the customers can’t incentivize it with tips, but I don’t see any difference.

Note: One co-owner is Scandinavian. Maybe that is why they take this approach? Never been to that part of Europe.

Likely reason. Tipping here isn’t mandatory but sort of expected to at least round up to the nearest $10ish at a restaurant.

They are trying to sneak it in there though with those stupid machines asking you to do an x or a y % on top as a thanks for them pouring a fucking beer at the bar. I’m all mr. Pink then

 

[EverGreenGSO]

Logic much? Why should anyone but the employers pay the wages of their employees?

They are already getting paid. You're giving them extra because they're taking care of you

You telling me there is no difference between a dealer who doesn't want to be there and a great one? A waiter that knows the menu front to back and is excited and one that just says "whattya want"

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

They are busting their asses so working people should help working people. Cuz damn sure ain't no rich man or the government going to help the working person

 

[EverGreenGSO]

There is a very good restaurant near me which does not allow tipping.

They just set their prices so as to be able to pay staff properly.

And this restaurant is actually cheaper than most other establishments in the area of a similar (high) quality.

You might expect service to be worse since the customers can’t incentivize it with tips, but I don’t see any difference.

Note: One co-owner is Scandinavian. Maybe that is why they take this approach? Never been to that part of Europe.

Tips are to incentivize good work. If everyone is getting paid well then service won't suffer. Makes perfect sense

It does allow slackers to slack but that's for management to weed out

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

working people should help working people. Cuz damn sure ain't no rich man or the government going to help the working person

Tips are to incentivize good work. If everyone is getting paid well then service won't suffer. Makes perfect sense

CONNECT THE THOUGHTS! DO IT!

 

[BarrieJ3]

I’m not a big baller nor a huge tipper. On this trip I played 1/2/5 and 1/2 games (never hold ‘em).

Everyone everywhere complains about drink service, they’re overworked and never around. Yet, I get all the double 7&7s I want.

I toss between $2-15 on their tray, and they just continually bring me drinks even if not taking our tables orders - rarely am I parched. Last night played for about an hour and had 3-4 doubles brought.

Same thing at the cage, anything that’s extra (singles, or maybe a 5) gets left with them.

I’m not saying everyone should do this, I simply am here for fun, not to grind. And I think not that surprisingly, having a good attitude, smile, and simply enjoying yourself seems to naturally get more drinks, value bet calls, free upgrades, racks from cafes, and more.

 

[CraigT78]

Tips are to incentivize good work. If everyone is getting paid well then service won't suffer. Makes perfect sense

It does allow slackers to slack but that's for management to weed out

Having traveled to countries where tipping isn't expected, or not even a thing, this is not an accurate statement. I've had plenty of great service in countries where a tip isn't going to be left 95% of the time.

 

[rustycheerio]

@bergs
i do 20% on high hands. 10% is standard where i go though.
everytime i go to the cashier win or lose i give them $2 or the extra. rounded by $5 if i won.

 

[rustycheerio]

Nope.

No to chip runners.

I tipped a cashier once. Horseshoe Bossier City, won $10,000 playing craps. Cashed out, she says we have to to a tax form for $10,000. I peel back a $100 and say how about now? She says nope. Dropped in the tip jar.

The dealer gets $1.

Waitress gets more. She knows what's up.

chip runner $5 or so. dealer 20%

 

[EverGreenGSO]

CONNECT THE THOUGHTS! DO IT!

That's 2 different scenarios. For the third time Casino employees aren't working for tips like bartenders or waitstaff is.

Again if you think all restaurant owners are filthy rich and kiting money out to themselves you're way out of touch

Don't get mad at biz owners get mad at your Government.

There's a reason tipping isn't mandatory in all the places with Government Healthcare. (HINT ITS A FUNCTIONING GOVERMENT)

 

[EverGreenGSO]

Having traveled to countries where tipping isn't expected, or not even a thing, this is not an accurate statement. I've had plenty of great service in countries where a tip isn't going to be left 95% of the time.

We're in America sir we're talking about this fucked up Country America. Again there's a reason why Europe doesn't suck the way we do here

 

[Goldfish]

Dealers have a very difficult job, and if they do it well, the game runs smoother and more efficiently for the benefit of all the players. The players should reward that dealer by tipping. A good dealer moves the game along, keeps the players focused - especially when the action is on them, does the math correctly and quickly (all night long), shuffles well and pitches the cards fast. A good dealer is worth his/her weight in gold, and if they are good they should be rewarded. I am notoriously hard on dealers - but I absolutely respect a job well done. Tip them often and well I say.

 

[Budha]

That's 2 different scenarios. For the third time Casino employees aren't working for tips like bartenders or waitstaff is.

Again if you think all restaurant owners are filthy rich and kiting money out to themselves you're way out of touch

Don't get mad at biz owners get mad at your Government.

There's a reason tipping isn't mandatory in all the places with Government Healthcare. (HINT ITS A FUNCTIONING GOVERMENT)

sigh….

Love it when people always think the “other” countries have it sooo much better. It ain’t free, it ain’t cheaper, and it isn’t necessarily better. I have several friends that are MD’s in Europe and family in Germany.

My friends that are MD’s are private practice and only accept patients with private insurance. Those that can, have private insurance in the EU. (b/c they get better treatment)

The gov’t’s job is not to provide for you, never has been, and never should be!

 

[BarrieJ3]

sigh….

Love it when people always think the “other” countries have it sooo much better. It ain’t free, it ain’t cheaper, and it isn’t necessarily better. I have several friends that are MD’s in Europe and family in Germany.

My friends that are MD’s are private practice and only accept patients with private insurance. Those that can, have private insurance in the EU. (b/c they get better treatment)

The gov’t’s job is not to provide for you, never has been, and never should be!

So hard to figure these things out no? All of us have our subjective experiences and those around us, but how do we ever dig through available data and constructs to determine an objective viewpoint?

For instance, I *know* that my story is just that - my own experiences. But personally (and I get I should be a better adult) I'm scared to go to the doc. I can't figure out how the fu** insurance works, it's a constant battle to not be overcharged/paying for stuff, I never know the cost beforehand, and billing is always a nightmare. I supposedly have solid insurance and a video chat with my primary to check in to see how new medication is working was $525. Wut.

Meanwhile living abroad in a foreign country darn near deathly ill with sick children with 0 idea of how anything at all works - immediately taken care of, appointment on a weekend evening, and full medication - all no questions asked and for about 20 Euros total. Idc if we had to pay for it in other ways (our taxes in France were pretty similar to US), it didn't take time/effort/confusion/etc.

Just one person's small experience, but insurance/medical bills has been one of the biggest issues for our fam (like I said might be our/my own fault).

Hopefully one day all the countries of the world figure this out and find what's best for the masses!

edit - I just posted this and then scrolled and it's the "Why I tip more thread". Lol how'd we get here? Aaaaaaand pushed into the black hole of politics in 3...2...1...

 

[Budha]

So hard to figure these things out no? All of us have our subjective experiences and those around us, but how do we ever dig through available data and constructs to determine an objective viewpoint?

For instance, I *know* that my story is just that - my own experiences. But personally (and I get I should be a better adult) I'm scared to go to the doc. I can't figure out how the fu** insurance works, it's a constant battle to not be overcharged/paying for stuff, I never know the cost beforehand, and billing is always a nightmare. I supposedly have solid insurance and a video chat with my primary to check in to see how new medication is working was $525. Wut.

Meanwhile living abroad in a foreign country darn near deathly ill with sick children with 0 idea of how anything at all works - immediately taken care of, appointment on a weekend evening, and full medication - all no questions asked and for about 20 Euros total. Idc if we had to pay for it in other ways (our taxes in France were pretty similar to US), it didn't take time/effort/confusion/etc.

Just one person's small experience, but insurance/medical bills has been one of the biggest issues for our fam (like I said might be our/my own fault).

Hopefully one day all the countries of the world figure this out and find what's best for the masses!

edit - I just posted this and then scrolled and it's the "Why I tip more thread". Lol how'd we get here? Aaaaaaand pushed into the black hole of politics in 3...2...1...

It’s a function of economics, common sense, critical thinking, and a general understanding how systems work, and what it takes to make them work.

All due respect, I find it very hard to believe the taxes in ANY EU country are similar to here. I just got back from Italy (LOVED it BTW), the VAT alone is 22% - lol.

Was yiur wife an ex pat, with company provided insurance? I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that she was.

It boils down to 2+2 does not and never will equal 6. The healthcare system in European countries is not the utopia it’s made out to be. There are certainly pros and cons to each system and in some ways theirs is certainly better then ours. However, I would never in a million years trade the current coverage I have through my employer for what I would get in Germany under the govt provided services. NEVER.

 

[legend672]

Old school thoughts.
Gambling Gods no like cheap tipping pikers. If you feel like going on a heater or getting hit with the deck again, tip well.
Always tip the guy who punched you a score ticket at the track. If you plan on making a score ever again, that is .
On a different note. Tip your trash throwers on Christmas. It’s the right thing to do and they really appreciate it.

 

[BarrieJ3]

It’s a function of economics, common sense, critical thinking, and a general understanding how systems work, and what it takes to make them work.

All due respect, I find it very hard to believe the taxes in ANY EU country are similar to here. I just got back from Italy (LOVED it BTW), the VAT alone is 22% - lol.

Was yiur wife an ex pat, with company provided insurance? I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that she was.

It boils down to 2+2 does not and never will equal 6. The healthcare system in European countries is not the utopia it’s made out to be. There are certainly pros and cons to each system and in some ways theirs is certainly better then ours. However, I would never in a million years trade the current coverage I have through my employer for what I would get in Germany under the govt provided services. NEVER.

Yeah but who can ever learn all of that? Lol I don't have the time to understand the function of economics on this level and what it takes to make them work.

And I'd have trouble believing anyone who said they did if it wasn't their full time job and they didn't have several higher degrees on the subject.

I have taken a look at what global thinktanks have produced, and there was a super awesome nonpartisan report a couple years back done by a group of US politicians that aimed to build an understanding of the pros/cons of "both systems". I'll try and nab it for you, it's one of the most helpful things I've consumed on this topic.

But yeah I mean it's a difficult topic. For example, our fam is a bit screwed in the US. We have some serious health/medical issues, primarily around our oldest child, and the US insurance/medical system simply doesn't support it. "Genetic testing" is one of many boogeymen that can almost be seen as witchcraft in the US - it's an absolute last resort here, and even then often not allowed to the depth it's needed. Years and years of testing, procedures, etc. - I think we're likely to need a pacemaker for him well before he's 10. And all of this is common throughout Europe and part of standard care. So I mean, simply put, it's difficult.

 

[Budha]

Yeah but who can ever learn all of that? Lol I don't have the time to understand the function of economics on this level and what it takes to make them work.

And I'd have trouble believing anyone who said they did if it wasn't their full time job and they didn't have several higher degrees on the subject.

I have taken a look at what global thinktanks have produced, and there was a super awesome nonpartisan report a couple years back done by a group of US politicians that aimed to build an understanding of the pros/cons of "both systems". I'll try and nab it for you, it's one of the most helpful things I've consumed on this topic.

But yeah I mean it's a difficult topic. For example, our fam is a bit screwed in the US. We have some serious health/medical issues, primarily around our oldest child, and the US insurance/medical system simply doesn't support it. "Genetic testing" is one of many boogeymen that can almost be seen as witchcraft in the US - it's an absolute last resort here, and even then often not allowed to the depth it's needed. Years and years of testing, procedures, etc. - I think we're likely to need a pacemaker for him well before he's 10. And all of this is common throughout Europe and part of standard care. So I mean, simply put, it's difficult.

For sure, I’m not saying our system is a utopia either - lol. And 100% there are certainly downsides, and holes in our system.

I also agree it’s incredibly complex to dissect and do a true, accurate, and meaningful comparison. TBH, I get a little chaffed with blow hards who are obviously just repeating what pops up in their Facebook echo chamber and are clueless about the realities associated with both systems. (Not referring to you there - lol).

But you hit on a real hot button for me here:

Yeah but who can ever learn all of that? Lol I don't have the time to understand the function of economics on this level and what it takes to make them work.

The general lack of basic foundational economics and financial acumen in this country is f’ing scary. I’m talking basic concepts like guns and butter, allocation of limited resources against unlimited demand, supply and demand. These are not overly complex and I consider them to be critical and necessary life skills to understand the world in which we live. Our base educational system is failing us in that regard, especially for lower income demographics. These are keys to understanding how things work, when your being told or sold a bill of goods from politicians, banks, or car salesmen (whoever) - lol.

My fondest desire is for basic economics and financial acumen to be taught starting in grade school!

TLDR: I agree to really breakdown both systems is a monumentally complex undertaking. However with some understanding of basic economics, and critical thinking people could see the broad strokes to support a somewhat better informed opinion. There are trade offs with both systems and neither is perfect.

 

[BarrieJ3]

For sure, I’m not saying our system is a utopia either - lol. And 100% there are certainly downsides, and holes in our system.

I also agree it’s incredibly complex to dissect and do a true, accurate, and meaningful comparison. TBH, I get a little chaffed with blow hards who are obviously just repeating what pops up in their Facebook echo chamber and are clueless about the realities associated with both systems. (Not referring to you there - lol).

But you hit on a real hot button for me here:



The general lack of basic foundational economics and financial acumen in this country is f’ing scary. I’m talking basic concepts like guns and butter, allocation of limited resources against unlimited demand, supply and demand. These are not overly complex and I consider them to be critical and necessary life skills to understand the world in which we live. Our base educational system is failing us in that regard, especially for lower income demographics. These are keys to understanding how things work, when your being told or sold a bill of goods from politicians, banks, or car salesmen (whoever) - lol.

My fondest desire is for basic economics and financial acumen to be taught starting in grade school!

TLDR: I agree to really breakdown both systems is a monumentally complex undertaking. However with some understanding of basic economics, and critical thinking people could see the broad strokes to support a somewhat better informed opinion. There are trade offs with both systems and neither is perfect.

For so many folks like me it’s almost like - where do you fu**ing start?

Lol my wife and I both have jobs we couldn’t have if we weren’t at least somewhat talented and critical thinkers (she’s a downright absolute badass - business leader in her industry). Yet……we somehow struggle with what’s seen as basics like healthcare, tax functions, hell even dealing with car dealerships on purchases.

It feels like so much red tape and stuff to learn and apply, that juggling extremely intensive careers (her more than mine) and family there just isn’t time. Love your responses. Don’t know if I’ll ever get there to have really great understanding and grounding of these things, but definitely making sure my kids grow up with that as an expectation and those life skills/understandings.

Cheers to you mate!

 

[sup_squidy]

Casinos taking rakes should pay their employees better considering how expensive things have got but wages are stagnant while inflation is climbing. Never been to a raked game with a dealer before only home games so idk but I hate tip culture and used to work for tips and I thought it was ridiculous and all my coworkers were super entitled but that’s my isolated experience of 10 years of those types of jobs
Wish they just paid people more the owners of all those businesses were rich as fuck it’s not that they couldn’t pay it’s just more profitable not to and that’s what I think the problem is.

 

[bergs]

Dealers have a very difficult job, and if they do it well, the game runs smoother and more efficiently for the benefit of all the players. The players should reward that dealer by tipping. A good dealer gives me winning hands and nut-nut while giving my monkeys 2nd/2nd - especially when its 2a and I’m up and trying to lock up my chips like they’re Al Capone and I’m Alcatraz. A good dealer is worth his/her weight in gold, and if they are good they should be rewarded. I am notoriously hard on dealers - and I’ve left several buried in my yard where you’ll never find them. I absolutely respect a job well done. Tip them often when I win and if not throw them in a well I say.

FYP with your inside voice. LOLOLOLOL.

 

[Budha]

like healthcare, tax functions,

Shit, I have a degree in economics and I struggle with that stuff - lol. I think everyone does

Insurance billing and taxes are an enigma wrapped in a riddle, that cannot be solved by mere mortals.

 

[doublebooyah85]

chip runner $5 or so. dealer 20%

20%?!? On a jackpot? Then the gov takes 40%

I tip big but only a dealer who starts a thread saying to tip more would say 20% bro lol

 

[TheJestyr]

I always tipped heavy, and early in my poker journey, it saved my butt several times.

Once I was playing 10/20 limit in a room where the rules were, if you show your hand, it’s dead, and if two people were left in the hand, they could raise back and forth until a party was all in.

On the river, my opponent had the nut full house, and I had quads. We went back and forth and agreed to just go all in, and the dealer started counting down opponent’s chips. I easily had him covered, so I said “it doesn’t matter, I have quads (and rolled out my hand) I call.”

My opponent immediately protested and said “HIS HAND IS DEAD” (which, truthfully, the way things played out, he was right)

The dealer called the floor over, explained the hand, but kindly told the floor (about me) “as he said ‘call’ he rolled out his hand”…I was awarded the pot…and as a 19 year old kid, I gladly collected the pot.

I had tipped a decent amount previous to this hand, and tipped a BUNCH after the pot was pushed to me, but it really taught me just how much power the dealer and the floor have…

I have several stories where the dealer saved my butt because I did something dumb. Another time my opponent declared an incorrect hand (intentionally in an effort to make me muck) and I pushed my hand forward face down, but the dealer never touched my cards. The dealer just glared at me to show my hand. So I took the hint, rolled out, and turned out my opponent had complete air.

Ok. I’m done ranting. (Sorry, I’m drinking)

I over tip and have always been polite to the dealers. And it’s saved me more than once

 

[doublebooyah85]

20%?!? On a jackpot? Then the gov takes 40%

I tip big but only a dealer who starts a thread saying to tip more would say 20% bro lol

You should buy a new car every 2 years and pay full MSRP. New thread coming soon lol

 

[allforcharity]

Lottery winnings and casino winnings are tax free in Canada. Feel free to tip whoever you want how much you want.

(The tippee has to declare it as income, though)