Windwalker on Hustler Casino Live?!?!?!?!?!? (4 Viewers)

[Goldfish]

I didn’t see the entire stream last night. Maybe @SpaceMonkey420 was too harsh, maybe he wasn't. I will say that I too went through a similar experience as @Windwalker . I played a lot of poker through the years before the casinos opened in the DMV. i held my own in terms of wins/loses. The home games were made up of all amateurs, my friends. Then the casinos opened and I was introduced to hi stakes plo with very good pros. It was a blood bath over time. Sure at first it was exciting to play hi stakes with pros at a casino and I had some winning nights but I ultimately paid a high price for that ticket over time. Pros have a completely different mentality at the table. They are not there to have fun, rather they are there to take your money. It’s very difficult to beat them over time (At least the good ones). And to be clear many of the pros I know I consider friends. I just have no longer have an interest in playing with a table full of them. Interestingly, last night the commentator said it’s great for the game if andy gets an upper cut. Translaction - Andy is a tight nit who is boring to watch and play against unless someone puts him on tilt. Why on earth would u want to play against guys like that Especially for hi stakes?

The best thing my casino experience did for me is introduce me to the hi stakes poker community including the action guys. this has enabled me now to set up the line ups I want to play in Whether in the casino (semi private games) or in a home game Setting. I now play in some of the best games on the east coast and am back to win some/lose some status. I get wanting to sit with the best to see how you compare. Fine, u did that with ivy, durrr, etc. and its fine to do it again from time to time. But why not do it on ur terms? As I said before, You now have the street credit to build an awesome line up (mikki, reza, Julie, dr, Eli, etc). Feel free to sprinkle in a pro here and there. They will all be more than happy to come. It will be a much more enjoyable experience for you I promise. Either host at ur house, or tell the hustler that u want to host a special game with particular players. pulling in pots ur way is always more fun then rebuying and u can learn just as much in your game as u can in a game filled with great hi stakes pros.

The last thing I will say is that the hustler also hosted a plo game with Paul pierce. U need to seek these guys out, because this is the game you should be playing in! Look at that action! Just my thoughts.

 

[SpaceMonkey420]

I didn’t see the entire stream last night. Maybe @SpaceMonkey420 was too harsh, maybe he wasn't. I will say that I too went through a similar experience as @Windwalker . I played a lot of poker through the years before the casinos opened in the DMV. i held my own in terms of wins/loses. The home games were made up of all amateurs, my friends. Then the casinos opened and I was introduced to hi stakes plo with very good pros. It was a blood bath over time. Sure at first it was exciting to play hi stakes with pros at a casino and I had some winning nights but I ultimately paid a high price for that ticket over time. Pros have a completely different mentality at the table. They are not there to have fun, rather they are there to take your money. It’s very difficult to beat them over time (At least the good ones). And to be clear many of the pros I know I consider friends. I just have no longer have an interest in playing with a table full of them. Interestingly, last night the commentator said it’s great for the game if andy gets an upper cut. Translaction - Andy is a tight nit who is boring to watch and play against unless someone puts him on tilt. Why on earth would u want to play against guys like that Especially for hi stakes?

The best thing my casino experience did for me is introduce me to the hi stakes poker community including the action guys. this has enabled me now to set up the line ups I want to play in Whether in the casino (semi private games) or in a home game Setting. I now play in some of the best games on the east coast and am back to win some/lose some status. I get wanting to sit with the best to see how you compare. Fine, u did that with ivy, durrr, etc. and its fine to do it again from time to time. But why not do it on ur terms? As I said before, You now have the street credit to build an awesome line up (mikki, reza, Julie, dr, Eli, etc). Feel free to sprinkle in a pro here and there. They will all be more than happy to come. It will be a much more enjoyable experience for you I promise. Either host at ur house, or tell the hustler that u want to host a special game with particular players. pulling in pots ur way is always more fun then rebuying and u can learn just as much in your game as u can in a game filled with great hi stakes pros.

The last thing I will say is that the hustler also hosted a plo game with Paul pierce. U need to seek these guys out, because this is the game you should be playing in! Look at that action! Just my thoughts.
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The DMs I’m receiving about this thread are harsh, but not towards me. Ive been cool but I can’t be silent any longer. Well respected members are praising me in private messages for spreading TRUTH to another member, and I value my integrity enough to say it.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Hard to take any analysis seriously from someone who measures win rates in poker cash games as a % of sessions

It's not a terrible metric. You'd expect a player who's a long-run winner to have more winning sessions than losing sessions. Sessions are long enough that even if hand distributions are skewed (large numbers of small losing hands with small numbers of large winning hands) session distributions should be pretty smooth.

 

[horseshoez]

I think this is very important remember. I think we are all rooting for Krish. But when you comment, please remember he is our peer, he isn’t the New York Yankees or Manchester United.

I’m sure it is tempting to post when you are disappointed In his play, because you are emotionally invested. At the end of the day, though, Krish is a real human who we interact with all of the time. I’d be willing to bet that as disappointed as we can be as fans, it is nowhere near the level of disappointment he is feeling.

If we're talking about rooting for our peer, it's also fair for one of our peers to say something that could possibly be in that person's best interest. For the sake of the example, let's assume your peer wants to compete in the WRC (World Rally Championship). He enlists his vehicle and drives his vehicle at 100mph on some treacherous road in the jungle. The guy goes airborne and slams into a tree, not once, but twice. You root for him to do it a 3rd and a 4th time or do you root for him to refine his skills then head back to that track? Food for thought.

 

[kirchhausen]

If we're talking about rooting for our peer, it's also fair for one of our peers to say something that could possibly be in that person's best interest. For the sake of the example, let's assume your peer wants to compete in the WRC (World Rally Championship). He enlists his vehicle and drives his vehicle at 100mph on some treacherous road in the jungle. The guy goes airborne and slams into a tree, not once, but twice. You root for him to do it a 3rd and a 4th time or do you root for him to refine his skills then head back to that track? Food for thought.

A few thoughts:

Sure, if you feel that your peer or friend is doing something harmful I fully support saying something. Personally, I would pm him and do it privately. I think the public shame part of it with some of these posts is what rubs me the wrong way.

Also, let’s be real for a second. We ALL gamble here, at various skill levels. This is a poker forum after all. When I punt 500 BBS at .25/.50 I don’t get the same, if any, feedback from my friends concerned for my well being .

While I am not privy to Krish’s net worth, I am pretty confident it is stratosphere’s higher than most people who are commenting ITT (certainly higher than mine). Losing 100k to him may just not be that big of a deal.

I don’t berate my friends when they lose a buyin or two in any home game “gee you suck yours are out of your league” etc. I don’t see why you all think it is appropriate here.


As for your rally car analogy, Krish is doing anything that is going to endanger himself in a physical sense. There are no trees in the high stakes room at the Hustler Club as far as I can tell.

Again, if you are really concerned, send him a pm. but to bust his balls publicly is just uncalled for IMO

 

[CrazyEddie]

Poker is uniquely designed to let long-term losers think they might be long-term winners.

It's fine to be a long-term loser, as long as:

• You're not putting money on the table that you can't lose without a second thought, and
• You're not fooling yourself into thinking you might be a long-term winner

This seems like it should be an easily avoidable trap, and yet the staggering opulence of Las Vegas is built entirely upon the backs of the people who have fallen into that trap.

Good luck. Have fun. Be wise and be careful.

 

[SpaceMonkey420]

A few thoughts:

Sure, if you feel that your peer or friend is doing something harmful I fully support saying something. Personally, I would pm him and do it privately. I think the public shame part of it with some of these posts is what rubs me the wrong way.

Also, let’s be real for a second. We ALL gamble here, at various skill levels. This is a poker forum after all. When I punt 500 BBS at .25/.50 I don’t get the same, if any, feedback from my friends concerned for my well being .

While I am not privy to Krish’s net worth, I am pretty confident it is stratosphere’s higher than most people who are commenting ITT (certainly higher than mine). Losing 100k to him may just not be that big of a deal.

I don’t berate my friends when they lose a buyin or two in any home game “gee you suck yours are out of your league” etc. I don’t see why you all think it is appropriate here.

Again, if you are really concerned, send him a pm. but to bust his balls publicly is just uncalled for IMO

Well to be fair I have also been speaking to him in DM sending pro tips and little tricks best I can. I had to speak up when my father mentioned his real friends should, and the cheerleaders just won’t stop humping his leg for clout/crumbs.

Guys on top (he’s deff on top of his click) are often ego stroked and super lonely. Rightfully so, they have been preyed on by ulterior motives. I see it all the time, makes me sad, this is no different.

Get out of hustler and get going to the dollar tables at commerce. Those guys not only care about money, but they should be easy to beat with a massive bankroll mixed with skill.

Poker is a game where you can buy an advantage once you master it. That’s why GMAN loads up on chips every time. If your don’t get that and your short stacking then your simply playing too high and deff not ready.

 

[horseshoez]

I don’t see why you all think it is appropriate here.

Again, if you are really concerned, send him a pm. but to bust his balls publicly is just uncalled for IMO

I never said it was appropriate nor did I condone busting his balls publicly. I was simply saying that when we root for our peer, we also root for our peer to become more competitive prior to competing again. That's all. I don't have any skin in this game, just merely stating how people can be supportive. Sure, I get that doing so publicly may lack some etiquette but it doesn't mean that person doesn't have good intentions. That's all.

As for your rally car analogy, Krish is doing anything that is going to endanger himself in a physical sense. There are no trees in the high stakes room at the Hustler Club as far as I can tell.

I beg to differ. It just takes a little bit of awareness and roughing of the edges by playing more and improving your game to realize when you're about to slam into that proverbial tree. They are there at low stakes and at high stakes whether you like it or not. Not comfortable calling them trees? No problem. Call them landmines.

 

[Anthony Martino]

I'm still making my way through the last stream so haven't gotten to the latest yet.

I see in Krish someone who is capable of improving, who HAS improved, but ultimately winds up making some fundamental mistakes that prove costly

I have a guy who is action in our local games that approached me and asked "how do you do what you do?", because he had seen me win regularly and play disciplined

I gave him some help, and he improved, but fell back into bad habits. Straddling OOP, playing wild, etc.

So then it was my turn to question him. " why do you play poker"?

He had some other things in life that upset him, so the rushes he would get playing crazy and winning large pots was his way of dealing with those things. But at the end of the day, no matter the result, poker wasn't what he needed to deal with those stresses, sometimes it made him more miserable

I think Krish is someone invested in learning, but perhaps as a session progresses later, or he loses a big pot, he starts to slip from the solid fundamentals and starts raising trouble hands OOP, etc

I'm rooting for him, I think he's capable of continuing to improve. I'd lean towards tightening up and focusing more on positional play, and playing shorter sessions (it's ok to quit ahead or behind, one does not need to win every chip on the table or lose every dollar in their pocket)

 

[horseshoez]

I'm still making my way through the last stream so haven't gotten to the latest yet.

I see in Krish someone who is capable of improving, who HAS improved, but ultimately winds up making some fundamental mistakes that prove costly

I have a guy who is action in our local games that approached me and asked "hod do you do what you do?", because he had seen me win regularly and play disciplined

I gave him some help, and he improved, but fell back into bad habits. Straddling OOP, playing wild, etc.

So then it was my turn to question him. " why do you play poker"?

He had some other things in life that upset him, so the rushes he would get playing crazy and winning large pots was his way of dealing with those things. But at the end of the day, no matter the result, poker wasn't what he needed to deal with those stresses, sometimes it made him more miserable

I think Krish is someone invested in learning, but perhaps as a session progresses later, or he loses a big pot, he starts to slip from the solid fundamentals and starts raising trouble hands OOP, etc

I'm rooting for him, I think he's capable of continuing to improve. I'd lean towards tightening up and focusing more on positional play, and playing shorter sessions (it's ok to quit ahead or behind, one does not need to win every chip on the table or lose every dollar in their pocket)

Anthony my man, you could not have worded it any better. Touché.

 

[Kain8]

If your not winning 70% or cash games your behind the curve these days in Hold Em. Sorry not sorry.

This right here, THIS is why I abhor big bet poker. The sentiment behind this statement just speaks volumes. Do you want to stack inferior players over and over? You better be studying, analyzing, getting coached, listening to podcasts, all the time. Any time NOT spent doing this (aside from actually playing) is time wasted.

It's just saddening that poker (read: NLHE) has devolved into this endless spiral into the fathomless depths of trying to extract 0.00001% more value than your opponents.

 

[SpaceMonkey420]

I never said it was appropriate nor did I condone busting his balls publicly. I was simply saying that when we root for our peer, we also root for our peer to become more competitive prior to competing again. That's all. I don't have any skin in this game, just merely stating how people can be supportive. Sure, I get that doing so publicly may lack some etiquette but it doesn't mean that person doesn't have good intentions. That's all.



I beg to differ. It just takes a little bit of awareness and roughing of the edges by playing more and improving your game to realize when you're about to slam into that proverbial tree. They are there at low stakes and at high stakes whether you like it or not. Not comfortable calling them trees? No problem. Call them landmines.

I never was much of a writer, but I’m a damn good dad/friend. This is my current project. Im on my 6th season and we have won 3 in a row/undefeated and yes I push them to MAX mentally and physically. That’s my job as a coach and parents praise me non stop for it.

I treat my friends the same way. No holds barred.

=)

 

[chrismurda]

I'd lean towards tightening up and focusing more on positional play,

This.
This is what Garrett, Andy, Jungle etc all do very well which is how they are able to exploit ranges.

 

[CrazyEddie]

So then it was my turn to question him. " why do you play poker"?

This is the most important question any poker player can ask themselves. It's not always easy to answer honestly or correctly.

 

[TheDuke]

Poker is uniquely designed to let long-term losers think they might be long-term winners.

I'd say the majority of PCF members are long term losers. PCF is just a subset of the wider poker playing community and most people are long term losers.

Just take a peek in any of the strategy threads. For some reason, every hero describes themselves as a winning TAG.

That's why this guy needs to hire a legit poker coach. Any strategy tips/coaching he gets on PCF is probably straight garbage.

 

[Kain8]

Any strategy tips/coaching he gets on PCF is probably straight garbage.

I resemble that remark!

 

[Anthony Martino]

I'd say the majority of PCF members are long term losers. PCF is just a subset of the wider poker playing community and most people are long term losers.

Just take a peek in any of the strategy threads. For some reason, every hero describes themselves as a winning TAG.

That's why this guy needs to hire a legit poker coach. Any strategy tips/coaching he gets on PCF is probably straight garbage.

The skill level I've seen at meetups is actually above average, imo.

Yes, there are straight degenerate gamblers in our midst, but also some very capable players

 

[Highli99]

Major tilt for me. someone getting a massage for 1/2 hr at the table. Enough already

I don’t mind as long as there isn’t a full release.

if he actually wants to get better he should actually hire a legit high stakes pro for a coach.

I think a coach who can fix the preflop ranges. It’s going to take a lot of work not just a few 1 hour sessions. I think someone like Brad Wilson from chasing poker greatness would be ideal. Possibly Tommy Angelo for mental stuff and Andrew Brokos for GTO basics. All those guys do coaching for a few hundred an hour.

When I punt 500 BBS at .25/.50 I don’t get the same, if any, feedback from my friends concerned for my well being .

Wait when has that ever happened!?!? I missed that glorious game.

 

[kirchhausen]

I don’t mind as long as there isn’t a full release.


I think a coach who can fix the preflop ranges. It’s going to take a lot of work not just a few 1 hour sessions. I think someone like Brad Wilson from chasing poker greatness would be ideal. Possibly Tommy Angelo for mental stuff and Andrew Brokos for GTO basics. All those guys do coaching for a few hundred an hour.

Wait when has that ever happened!?!? I missed that glorious game.

I was trying to be nice. I always get in in good. Sometimes they just get there

 

[TheDuke]

The skill level I've seen at meetups is actually above average, imo.

Yes, there are straight degenerate gamblers in our midst, but also some very capable players

That's probably true. But the number of people who attend meetups is probably like 0.0001% of the total membership here.

He's playing at the highest level against the best players on the planet. The guidance he can get from anyone on PCF is like taking coaching tips from a dad coaching his 8 year old in community hockey and trying to apply it to the NHL level.

 

[Senzrock]

I'd say the majority of PCF members are long term losers.

I would generally agree with this statement, although as @Anthony Martino said, there are plenty of good players on here as well. You are making too many generalizations imo. The reason I offered to do some coaching is because I have a strong win rate over a decade+ of grinding. There are others here on PCF who I’m sure have accomplished similar things in poker. Most people on PCF are more casual players, who enjoy the company, collect chips, and share their experiences with each other (which is what makes PCF great!). Others however are actual serious players, I consider myself among them. I’m not sure why this thread has to devolve into a pissing contest though. It’s not hard to comment after a bad session that an individual played a hand terribly. Well done. Have maybe some faith though, and try to be supportive of those who are trying to battle in these (very tough) poker streets!

 

[Legend5555]

Not me. I want to see players progress, improve their game, have fun, and eventually dominate. I didn’t watch the train wreck versions but I did study 2 entire streams. This is a damn blood bath and I realize most people can’t see why, including our friend who’s being stroked and skewered. Prayers sent, I can also send some poker books too if needed. I have an extensive amount of them I can loan him, free of charge, but even then… usually a naturally gifted person has to read/discuss them many many many times (10x) before anything truly clicks. That don’t happen in a week.


Get out of this game immediately buddy. Your lucky for a 30% win rate, and iIf I added your current win rate it I’d bet it’s much lower atm. Study hard and come back when your at 70% or higher. Some of these guys are in the 90s plus. That’s like putting a tball league against the dodgers, or having Bruce Wayne fight the Joker with no costume on.

Back to the Lab and don’t come out until you can beat a local pro like @dmoney consistently. Don’t believe me? He’s the best I’ve seen here. Play him online for now and learn. Dmoney will own most people on this board, and teach you a LOT more then you can ever learn from these tv stroker tools. That is where you need to be as this stream makes me scream STOP.

Dude... It's a f-ing game. People can spend their money how they like. No one has to confirm to your idea of what should be done in poker.

 

[dmoney]

Back to the Lab and don’t come out until you can beat a local pro like @dmoney consistently. Don’t believe me? He’s the best I’ve seen here. Play him online for now and learn. Dmoney will own most people on this board, and teach you a LOT more then you can ever learn from these tv stroker tools. That is where you need to be as this stream makes me scream STOP.

Thanks for the compliment @SpaceMonkey420! I’m not nearly as confident in my skills … I can barely keep up with @SJFCPK18!

I say we get the weekly/daily PCF Tourneys back up and running to sort all this out!

At a minimum, I think it’s really cool that @Windwalker shares what he does regarding these games. Thanks, Krish! I’ll watch as many times as you decide it’s in your interest to play, whatever your interest might be.

 

[Zmasterben]

The DMs I’m receiving about this thread are harsh, but not towards me. Ive been cool but I can’t be silent any longer. Well respected members are praising me in private messages for spreading TRUTH to another member, and I value my integrity enough to say it.

I've read this post a dozen times and I can't not laugh every time I read it

 

[gopherblue]

Oy. This is turning into the Krishtians™ vs. the lions.

 

[Legend5555]

I never was much of a writer, but I’m a damn good dad/friend. This is my current project. Im on my 6th season and we have won 3 in a row/undefeated and yes I push them to MAX mentally and physically. That’s my job as a coach and parents praise me non stop for it.

I treat my friends the same way. No holds barred.

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I appreciate being a good father etc. But I definitely can't get behind pushing young kids super hard at recreational league sports. It's one of my biggest pet peeves. Fun is first. Competition is like a distant 5th or something.

 

[allforcharity]

I'm speaking as an outsider. I'm not a great player, just a social one, and therefore most probably a long-term loser. I generally don't enjoy watching live stream (or any) poker. I only tuned in a couple times because I knew it was Krish on here, and I wanted to see what the fuss was about. But after watching for a bit, I just can't shake the feeling that Krish is being used for his ability to bring money (and, therefore, entertainment) to the table, not because they want to give him a chance. Probably the same goes for a few others that are invited.

My purpose is not to insult or offend, but it's just what I see. I will continue to support you, Krish, and wish you the best of luck and continuing to build on your skills. Continue to play for your own reasons, as long as you are clear and honest about them.

 

[raynmanas]

I’ve never done acid

I actually think maybe you should try, or at least shrooms. You're way too wound up sometimes! At least that's how you come off on here. And I do not mean any offense by this.

 

[Grandmasturkey]

A few thoughts:

Sure, if you feel that your peer or friend is doing something harmful I fully support saying something. Personally, I would pm him and do it privately. I think the public shame part of it with some of these posts is what rubs me the wrong way.

Also, let’s be real for a second. We ALL gamble here, at various skill levels. This is a poker forum after all. When I punt 500 BBS at .25/.50 I don’t get the same, if any, feedback from my friends concerned for my well being .

While I am not privy to Krish’s net worth, I am pretty confident it is stratosphere’s higher than most people who are commenting ITT (certainly higher than mine). Losing 100k to him may just not be that big of a deal.

I don’t berate my friends when they lose a buyin or two in any home game “gee you suck yours are out of your league” etc. I don’t see why you all think it is appropriate here.


As for your rally car analogy, Krish is doing anything that is going to endanger himself in a physical sense. There are no trees in the high stakes room at the Hustler Club as far as I can tell.

Again, if you are really concerned, send him a pm. but to bust his balls publicly is just uncalled for IMO

Re: unnecessary public shaming: he's famous for it as many of you know.

 

[Taghkanic]

I see in Krish someone who is capable of improving, who HAS improved, but ultimately winds up making some fundamental mistakes that prove costly.

I suspect the reason this session caused @SpaceMonkey420 to be so adamant is that the two big punts at the end (very close together) were almost identical to the two big ones in the previous Ivey/Dwan session (also occurring in quick succession).

The two giant mistakes made in each session (four punts total) were uncannily similar. One involved overvaluing a nice starting hand after the flop, the other a very weak starting hand which was turned into a bluff or semibluff preflop — betting into multiple players, then shoving over raises/calls/reraises. The preflop shove into three villains showing strength last night seemed like an especially troublimh example of not learning from the previous hard lesson.

To the extent that this is about learning at nosebleed stakes, the blowup last night suggested that lessons were *not* learned from the (very public, much-discussed, and costly) blowups just a week ago.

I’m not a crusher. I do think I am well above average in my very modest peer group (1/3 and 2/5 players, $100-$500 tourney players). The slow progress I’ve made has come from tons of vole, accimpanied by reading books and watching blogs and listening to podcasts, then trying to apply what I’m absorbing. And then analyzing my own play critically and trying not to fool / excuse myself.

My local casino does not spread anything higher than 5/10, and not very often. I’ve not played in that game, but I’ve watched some mainly because a very accomplished player (Sean Deeb) is usually in the game. From what I’ve seen, I don’t see a big difference between the 5/10 action and the Hustler or LaTB televised games. In fact the Hustler game does not play that different from a good 2/5 game, except that the stakes are so huge that you have to have a much bigger bankroll to be there and not be phased by River bets the size of many people’s annual salary.

In short, if learning is truly the goal (and not publicity, or networking) one could probably learn just as well or better at 5/10, at a tiny fraction of the cost. Blow 25K instead of $125K, donate the 100K difference to charity, write that off your taxes, then take another shot at 100/200/200 after putting in the work at less extravagant stakes.