Windwalker on Hustler Casino Live?!?!?!?!?!? (8 Viewers)

[BigSlick4523]

I just watched the hand. I'm calling with the 88 there probably about half the time. Especially against someone like Dwan. The problem is that there just aren't many hands that Dwan can have there that are consistent with how he played the hand. A flopped slow played flush in position makes near-zero sense. Aces up also makes near zero sense as Dwan bets the turn. He miiiiight be value betting JT for 2 pair, but pretty much the only hand he's value betting there is a Kx that missed his flush draw. But if Dwan had a combo draw (flush and now straight), I would expect him to bet it on the turn in position when checked to after the Ace fell. But he didn't. Which means he's either still on a naked flush draw or has an underpair. It was a good call by Krish and a good read. I bet if you ask Krish, he probably called for these exact same reasons.

My biggest fear in that hand would be calling and losing to a pair of Jacks that Dwan turned into a bluff on the river.

Alao it was 8k into a 12k pot not much for them if it was a bigger pot ita a harder call

 

[raynmanas]

Alao it was 8k into a 12k pot not much for them if it was a bigger pot ita a harder call

exactly. in context, that was an $80 call into a $120 pot in a $1/$2 game on an opponent that limped, bet, then showed weakness on the turn.

*edit* sorry, he limped, check/called, then checked the turn.

 

[BigSlick4523]

exactly. in context, that was an $80 call into a $120 pot in a $1/$2 game on an opponent that limped, bet, then showed weakness on the turn.

still could have easily have had 1 of them 4 pairs and had him beat though lol nice call though

 

[RainmanTrail]

still could have easily have had 1 of them 4 pairs and had him beat though lol nice call though

I disagree. He's almost never value betting a pair here. It's a bluff or a straight, or possibly JT with the T of spades. He's not playing a Q or an A that way.

 

[Frogzilla]

Against a random casino player, calling a 2/3 pot bet from an EP raiser with on a runout is likely very -EV.

But there are a few things which tip the scales towards this being at least a marginal call.

• Villain is a seasoned pro capable of turning anything into a bluff here
• Villain is notorious for playing very wide ranges (although seems to have dialed it back quite a bit in recent years)
• Villain is running cold tonight
• Often, folks (even seasoned pros) start to press the action when running cold
• Line from EP raiser is pretty weak on a Broadway heavy runout (checks flop, declines to check raise, checks A turn)
  • Given a monotone flop, natural that EP checks some portion of his value range, but imagine the top of his value range is often cbetting here
    • E.g., AA, KK, QQ, JJ
  • Also his big draws or vulnerable top pairs
    • E.g., AK, KTs, ATs
• Krish has the , so at least blocks some portion of villain's value range (but, also unblocks most of villain's value range, too)
• Krish has done a good job of pot control to 'earn' the right to call

Update: ran this hand through GTOWizard and aside from Dwan's error of raising from EP, both players played it fine. According to GTOWizard, @Windwalker should be calling 41% on this river.

With the 8 of spades, did it ever turn the 88 into bluff raise?

 

[RainmanTrail]

With the 8 of spades, did it ever turn the 88 into bluff raise?

I wouldn't recommend turning a bluff catcher hand like 88 into a bluff when your opponent almost certainly has either a bluff themselves or the goods.

 

[Frogzilla]

I wouldn't recommend turning a bluff catcher hand like 88 into a bluff when your opponent almost certainly has either a bluff themselves or the goods.

It’s 2/3 pot though…he definitely has some bet folds that 88 is behind and unblocks. Two pair bets here right? By no means does that imply 88 HAS to be a bluff but it’s an interesting candidate

Curious what the solvergods say

 

[Budha]

Against a random casino player, calling a 2/3 pot bet from an EP raiser with on a runout is likely very -EV.

But there are a few things which tip the scales towards this being at least a marginal call.

• Villain is a seasoned pro capable of turning anything into a bluff here
• Villain is notorious for playing very wide ranges (although seems to have dialed it back quite a bit in recent years)
• Villain is running cold tonight
• Often, folks (even seasoned pros) start to press the action when running cold
• Line from EP raiser is pretty weak on a Broadway heavy runout (checks flop, declines to check raise, checks A turn)
  • Given a monotone flop, natural that EP checks some portion of his value range, but imagine the top of his value range is often cbetting here
    • E.g., AA, KK, QQ, JJ
  • Also his big draws or vulnerable top pairs
    • E.g., AK, KTs, ATs
• Krish has the , so at least blocks some portion of villain's value range (but, also unblocks most of villain's value range, too)
• Krish has done a good job of pot control to 'earn' the right to call

Update: ran this hand through GTOWizard and aside from Dwan's error of raising from EP, both players played it fine. According to GTOWizard, @Windwalker should be calling 41% on this river.

I’d find a new and more powerful wizard - lol

BTW - I think it was good read call from Krish. Seems he read the bluff.

 

[Anthony Martino]

@Windwalker about 1 hr 25 minutes into the stream mentions he's been playing PLO and Big O

It won't be long now

 

[Rieguy]

When's the next game?

 

[toothpic]

PCF waiting for more poker vlogs and streams

 

[Windwalker]

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When's the next game?

I’m done for the year! Headed to Dubai to see my sister and her family.

 

[Anthony Martino]

I’m done for the year! Headed to Dubai to see my sister and her family.

Safe travels and happy holidays!

 

[Stufflymcstuff]

I wouldn't recommend turning a bluff catcher hand like 88 into a bluff when your opponent almost certainly has either a bluff themselves or the goods.

There are situations where it’s optimal to bluff raise with hands stronger than other hands you call with because of their blocking properties against the other players bet/calls. This might not be one of them but important to note that having a hand that is a viable call doesn’t rule it out as a bluff raise. If you did have a big raise here to balance your big flushes it would likely include the ace of spades - even though that is technically a better bluff catcher than weaker pairs, it’s an even better bluff raise.

I wouldn’t recommend a bluff raise here for a few reasons. First because it’s krish and he’s done so many unorthodox things that dwan often won’t fold the straight unless the raise is huge / this should be a very low frequency bluff to begin with. Secondly I think it might actually be a very rare spot where you don’t have true bluffs in the traditional sense.

Ie: you raise both with straights and flushes in proportions such that straights are indifferent to calling to sometimes win half the pot. You can find spots where solvers will do this but it’s very rare.

 

[Kain8]

 

[Anthony Martino]

That face you make when all of your bluffs get through and life offers you no challenge anymore

 

[Anthony Martino]

Lol, at the part of the stream where the announcers are assigning everyone at the table a role in a fictional band, and right before they said it I thought "tamberine" for Krish, since they had given out most of the other spots already

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

Lol, at the part of the stream where the announcers are assigning everyone at the table a role in a fictional band, and right before they said it I thought "tamberine" for Krish, since they had given out most of the other spots already

Don’t forget the jug and spoons
Or Banjo

 

[Anthony Martino]

Don’t forget the jug and spoons
Or Banjo

I call dibs on the washboard!

 

[Samuel]

Don’t forget the jug and spoons
Or Banjo

I see your jug and spoons and raise you a wrench and anvil!

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

I see your jug and spoons and raise you a wrench and anvil!

Ok thats pretty awesome.
Thats some fire on the ol banjo there

 

[Thomacetti]

I see your jug and spoons and raise you a wrench and anvil!

Cletus Del Roy Spuckler and the Yokels made my day....awsome

 

[Thisfiendis138]

Lol, at the part of the stream where the announcers are assigning everyone at the table a role in a fictional band, and right before they said it I thought "tamberine" for Krish, since they had given out most of the other spots already

Or the Triangle

 

[chiefgief]

WTF is a Gold Royal Oak?

It's an audemars piguet (idk if I spelled that correctly) wristwatch. In mine and many people's opinion, the classiest watch on the market. Not the MOST expensive, but certainly an insane piece. I prefer the gold with black dial

 

[legend672]

Boomer question. What does google have to do with any of this ?

 

[ekricket]

Boomer question. What does google have to do with any of this ?

Google it

 

[legend672]

Google it

Too busy skiing new Mexico

 

[ekricket]

Too busy skiing new Mexico

Lol we only got two runs open here so far. You down here somewhere?

 

[bergs]

Hahaha! "

First of all, I didn't say that he shouldn't play in high this high stake. Of course, any one who can afford this type of bank roll can play, including WW.

But one thing confusing me the most is why "the entire outside world" recom he plays so bad. And don't get me wrong, I trust that he is profitable last few months' high stakes poker sessions. God bless him! And in PCF, most ppl seems to agree he is playing well?

IMO, he is a fish in these high stake poker for now. And I am not a poker pro at all; as I stated earlier that the biggest game I have ever played is $1/3. These comments are purely my personal opinions. No need to be sarcastic to my comments.

At the end of day, faithful words grate upon the ear. Believe or not, I want everything good for Krish. Not only because he is a true legend on chips(kindly sharing chips photos
the PCF community), more importantly he is a member of this community. (So am I)

There is no conflicts between playing poker well and being super rich.

I hope you got my main points from this one. Again if you still feel somehow offensive, I will shut my mouth from now. And the end of day, why the F a middle class ppl start to worry about a billionaire's fun activity? I am more confused now. LOL

You’re literally arguing with yourself. Come back when one (?!) of you has won.

 

[Wizard19]

You’re literally arguing with yourself. Come back when one (?!) of you has won.

What's your point here?

Did your even read properly or can you sponsor me to play in that level? I will show it to you? Is that what you want?

All I said that is I reckon he plays poorly in the high stake poker. Now, is that against any PCF rules? Or is it just simply not nice enough?

Now, suddenly you jump out and reckon that I can only state my personal opinions if I won in the high stake? Why? Is that a new rule somehow? It's like I comment on a NBA player's performance, and some one said " F off, you can only say something if you can play in NBA"?

Now, bite me? I couldn't care less.