Tourney 12/12/5/6 vs 8/8/8/5 (3 Viewers)

[Grimalkin]

Ok thanks for the advise, I found tonight on my tourney I put more 1K chips on the table for rebuys and it made play much smoother in higher blind levels. I might just end up getting more 1K chips anyway due to this. Plus some 25k of course!

 

[Grimalkin]

Decided to change course a bit and go down to T20k starting stack… I feel like I’m wasting money on chips I’ll never use… but ya never know.

One question I had… I was considering to do 12/12/5/11/x .. this is lot more 1k chips needed, but I feel gameplay has a positive impact. I can save money if I simply go with 5 less 1k chips and do the typical 12/12/5/6/x and make up the slack with the 5k chips.

Does anyone here do 12/12/5/11/x and do you like it? Are the extra 1k chips necessary or should I save money on less 1K?

Thanks again for all the assistance.

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

Does anyone here do 12/12/5/11/x and do you like it? Are the extra 1k chips necessary or should I save money on less 1K?

Thanks again for all the assistance.

I used play a lot with T20,000 and starting stack as 12/12/7/10/1.

Using T1000 to color up the T25 and T100.
Using T5000 to color up the T500.

12/12/5/6/2 would work but would create more change.

Now, I switched to T30,000 with 10/6/11/3.
I use T1000 to color up the 100 and T5000 for the T500.
I would not want to have less T1000.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Decided to change course a bit and go down to T20k starting stack… I feel like I’m wasting money on chips I’ll never use… but ya never know.

One question I had… I was considering to do 12/12/5/11/x .. this is lot more 1k chips needed, but I feel gameplay has a positive impact. I can save money if I simply go with 5 less 1k chips and do the typical 12/12/5/6/x and make up the slack with the 5k chips.

Does anyone here do 12/12/5/11/x and do you like it? Are the extra 1k chips necessary or should I save money on less 1K?

Thanks again for all the assistance.

Don't skimp on the T1000 chips. They will become the workhorse chip for a large portion of your tournament. If you want to reduce chip count, then drop your T25 and T100 down to 8/8. These chips will soon be gone from the game entirely. Skimp there instead.

 

[Grimalkin]

These are the exact answers I’m looking for. TY!

 

[JustinInMN]

I’ve gone down a real slippery slope in the matter of a month, ordering new chips to add to my royals set every few weeks and now I’m thinking about moar.

Currently I’m at:
250 T25
250 T100
150 T500
150 T1000
75 T5000

Planning to make it:

250 T25
250 T100
150 T500
225 T1000
150 T5000
50 T25000

I’m going to be running T25000 starting stacks. but want enough chips for 30 players 3 tables with 15 rebuys.

Decided to change course a bit and go down to T20k starting stack… I feel like I’m wasting money on chips I’ll never use… but ya never know.

One question I had… I was considering to do 12/12/5/11/x .. this is lot more 1k chips needed, but I feel gameplay has a positive impact. I can save money if I simply go with 5 less 1k chips and do the typical 12/12/5/6/x and make up the slack with the 5k chips.

Does anyone here do 12/12/5/11/x and do you like it? Are the extra 1k chips necessary or should I save money on less 1K?

Okay so if you are doing 30 players and base T25 you only need a quantity of T25/100/500/1000 to cover their starting stacks, we will consider all rebuys and color ups with T5000 Chips.

Option 1 - T10K with 8/8/4/7 stacks.

You already have enough to do 8/8/4 of T25/100/500 for everyone comfortably. The ideal setup for 30 players using 8/8/4/7 would be 250/250/125/225/50 for 900 total chips. You have a surplus of T500 and T5000 and are short about 75 T1000. 30 T5000 chips will cover your planned re-entries with 20 chips to spare, some you would use for color ups. So really 75*T1000 is all you would HAVE to order to accomplish what you need for T10K.

Option 2 - T20K with 8/8/4/7/2 stacks
Now to switch to T20K, I would think it would be okay to just add 2 T5000 chips to each starting stack, so that's 60 right there, plus you now have to consider a rebuy now takes four T5K chips instead of two. If planning for 15 re-entries, that's 60 more. So you will need to order 75*T1000 as above and 50*T5000 for a total of 125 new chips.

Option 3 - T10K with 12/12/5/6 stacks
So back to T10K but doing larger quantity stacks. To do 12/12/5/6 for 30 players the ideal quantities (in multiples of 25) would be 375/375/150/200. Your existing 75 T5000 chips would still cover your rebuy requirement. So you will need to order 125*T25, 125*T100, 50*T1000, a total of 300 new chips.

Option 4 - T20K with 12/12/5/6/2 stacks
Now to switch to 20K, again, you would be adding 2 T5000 chips to each starting stack, so that's 60 right there, and again now have to consider a rebuy now takes four T5K chips instead of 2. So you will be ordering an additional 50*T5000 chips to cover the stack expansion, plus the same additional need of 125*T25, 125*T100, 50*T1000 from the T10K option, a total of 350 new chips.

(*LATE EDIT, realized current set has 75 T5000 chips, not 50, made adjustments to options 2 and 4)

So personally, I would suggest option 2 for you if your really want to do T20K tournaments with your setup. Otherwise I think option 1 takes your set to where it needs to be for T10K tournaments just fine.

I will point out if you do option 2. You can still build 20 starting stacks of 12/12/5/11/1 at T20K if that's your usual crowd, and only use the 8/8/4/7/2 stacks when you have 3 tables planned. (You could even do 2 "spare parts" stacks of 4/4/7/1/3 with the extras.)

If you really want to get T25K for the set, you COULD swap out 25 of the T5K recommendations for T25K chips. This would put you way above your minimum need in terms of chip value, but it would ensure there would be enough T5K chips in play to make change if you do decide to put T25K in toward the end. (if you go that route, I wouldn't introduce those until removing the T500 chips, personally and when you think about it, how many events would you be doing where this would happen?)

So I hope this points out what your usage would be for options buying as few as 75 chips or as many as 375 chips. Good luck.

 

[Grimalkin]

Okay so if you are doing 30 players and base T25 you only need a quantity of T25/100/500/1000 to cover their starting stacks, we will consider all rebuys and color ups with T5000 Chips.

Option 1 - T10K with 8/8/4/7 stacks.

You already have enough to do 8/8/4 of T25/100/500 for everyone comfortably. The ideal setup for 30 players using 8/8/4/7 would be 250/250/125/225/50 for 900 total chips. You have a surplus of T500 and T5000 and are short about 75 T1000. 30 T5000 chips will cover your planned re-entries with 20 chips to spare, some you would use for color ups. So really 75*T1000 is all you would HAVE to order to accomplish what you need for T10K.

Option 2 - T20K with 8/8/4/7/2 stacks
Now to switch to T20K, I would think it would be okay to just add 2 T5000 chips to each starting stack, so that's 60 right there, plus you now have to consider a rebuy now takes four T5K chips instead of two. If planning for 15 re-entries, that's 60 more. So you will need to order 75*T1000 as above and 75*T5000 for a total of 150 new chips.

Option 3 - T10K with 12/12/5/6 stacks
So back to T10K but doing larger quantity stacks. To do 12/12/5/6 for 30 players the ideal quantities (in multiples of 25) would be 375/375/150/200. Your existing 50 T5000 chips would still cover your rebuy requirement. So you will need to order 125*T25, 125*T100, 50*T1000, a total of 300 new chips.

Option 4 - T20K with 12/12/5/6/2 stacks
Now to switch to 20K, again, you would be adding 2 T5000 chips to each starting stack, so that's 60 right there, and again now have to consider a rebuy now takes four T5K chips instead of 2. So you will be ordering an additional 75*T5000 chips to cover the stack expansion, plus the same additional need of 125*T25, 125*T100, 50*T1000 from the T10K option, a total of 375 new chips.

So personally, I would suggest option 2 for you if your really want to do T20K tournaments with your setup. Otherwise I think option 1 takes your set to where it needs to be for T10K tournaments just fine.

I will point out if you do option 2. You can still build 20 starting stacks of 12/12/5/11/1 at T20K if that's your usual crowd, and only use the 8/8/4/7/2 stacks when you have 3 tables planned. (You could even do 2 "spare parts" stacks of 4/4/7/1/3 with the extras.)

If you really want to get T25K for the set, you COULD swap out 25 of the T5K recommendations. This would put you way above your minimum need in terms of chip value, but it would ensure there would be enough T5K chips in play to make change if you do decide to put T25K in toward the end. (if you go that route, I wouldn't introduce those until removing the T500 chips, personally.)

So I hope this points out what your usage would be for options buying as few as 75 chips or as many as 375 chips. Good luck.

I appreciate your in depth response, I was planning already exactly option 2 you laid out, plus an extra barrel of 25K chips for good measure.

Even though I’m likely never to surpass 20 players with 12/12/7/10/2 or 12/12/5/11/2 (at least right now I can’t see it happening) I will have enough in reserve for 3 tables should I need it with 8/8/4/7/2, and it would be terrible if I decided to save a few bucks and I didn’t have enough chips for some extra players.

 

[JustinInMN]

I appreciate your in depth response, I was planning already exactly option 2 you laid out, plus an extra barrel of 25K chips for good measure.

Even though I’m likely never to surpass 20 players (at least right now I can’t see it happening) I will have enough in reserve for 3 tables should I need it, and it would be terrible if I decided to save a few bucks and I didn’t have enough chips for some extra players.

Excellent, and to address your other concern, if you had gone with option 4, you would be buying about 300 extra chips you wouldn't often use. (Not like that's a big PCF sin or anything, but I get storage is a thing and this is expense that can be saved for other future projects.) Personally, If you really want T25K chips, I would reduce the T5Ks

So you would buy 75*T1000, 50*T5000, and 25*T25000. You can also safely pack away 25*T500 and this would bring your tournament set to an even 1000 chips . 250 * T25, 250 * T100, 125 * T500, 225 * T1000, 125 * T5000, and 25 * T25,000. You still have sufficient T5000 to cover 30 T20K stacks and 15 re-entries. (I miscounted above, will make edits.)