43mm Project Discussion (4 Viewers)

[Phantom]

Should rename the thread 'Mummel's 43mm Project Discussion'

 

[mummel]

Should rename the thread 'Mummel's 43mm Project Discussion'

Im excited New chippies. Suprised more people arent into it like the previous Majestics.

 

[Phantom]

Im excited New chippies. Suprised more people arent into it like the previous Majestics.

Good to be excited mate . When the red icon goes off I was kinda hoping for an update from Josh or any further questions etc ... about the 43mm project. Just breaking balls a bit ;-)

Your line ups look good. I don't think you can go wrong with either.

 

[Cyo]

I'm excited. It will be both my first time with China Clays and my first time with 43mm chips.

I'm planning on a cash set of 500 and a tourney set of 500-700.

 

[Annorax]

I'm planning on something small; "high" denom add-ons to my ABC 8v cash set. Probably no more than 200 total.

 

[sparky18]

I'm hoping to get a set of 500 for my first set of chips, was going for a set of Majestics until i saw this set - without doing to much re-labeling & if i can get a $50 label - this is the cash set i am aiming for.

i would use the denominations in pence as i'm in the UK, we don't play a big cash game and these are what we use for our 25/50 game when we play.

 

[andy699669]

I'm hoping to get a set of 500 for my first set of chips, was going for a set of Majestics until i saw this set - without doing to much re-labeling & if i can get a $50 label - this is the cash set i am aiming for.

i would use the denominations in pence as i'm in the UK, we don't play a big cash game and these are what we use for our 25/50 game when we play.

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You sure you want to use 25p and 50p at the same time? For cash games I think 25p-£1-£5-£20 is what you need. But if that what you want, I don't mind.

 

[sparky18]

You sure you want to use 25p and 50p at the same time? For cash games I think 25p-£1-£5-£20 is what you need. But if that what you want, I don't mind.

Yeah i've read a few posts regarding what people use for cash games, this is what we have always used and also it gets more chip colours on the table

 

[andy699669]

I'm hoping to get a set of 500 for my first set of chips, was going for a set of Majestics until i saw this set - without doing to much re-labeling & if i can get a $50 label - this is the cash set i am aiming for.

i would use the denominations in pence as i'm in the UK, we don't play a big cash game and these are what we use for our 25/50 game when we play.

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Like this?

 

[sparky18]

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Yeah that’s how I would of liked them but to save time and money with relabelling I will use what I posted above if I can.. good work on labels though

 

[Meddler2]

43mm chip storage?

 

[MG20]

Here's what I use, from Amazon. I can find a link if requested.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Here's what I use, from Amazon. I can find a link if requested.
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A link would be good.

 

[MG20]

Sure, here you go...

Alligator Leatherette Poker Chip Case (500 Chip Capacity) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000GPWMQY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_nbitCbFEGFZWE

 

[Coyote]

Sunfly (the ceramics manufacturer in China) also provides classic cheap aluminium cases specific for 43mm chips, both in 500ct and 300ct sizes.
http://www.apollonchips.com/chipseries/aluminium-case-500-43.html

 

[Apache]

This weekend the owner of the company that will be making the Royal chips was in Las Vegas for a convention.
I gave him the $25,000 Horseshoe chip and told him to get as close as possible to the actual colors. We will see what he can do.
He is a friendly guy. I took him to Crown & Anchor where we had several beers.

 

[ovo]

This weekend the owner of the company that will be making the Royal chips was in Las Vegas for a convention.
I gave him the $25,000 Horseshoe chip and told him to get as close as possible to the actual colors. We will see what he can do.
He is a friendly guy. I took him to Crown & Anchor where we had several beers.
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way to work it Josh, like your style. If I was in Vegas , we'd have beers

 

[ovo]

This weekend the owner of the company that will be making the Royal chips was in Las Vegas for a convention.
I gave him the $25,000 Horseshoe chip and told him to get as close as possible to the actual colors. We will see what he can do.
He is a friendly guy. I took him to Crown & Anchor where we had several beers.
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just don't tell him he could get 30 bucks for that chip

 

[BmoreTerp]

Settled on getting a T500-Base tourney set after much reading and seeing @BGinGA 's posts on the breakdown. Just seeing what people's opinions are about the $5000/$25000. The Horseshoe $25000 is my favorite chip of the set so i like it being more of a workhorse during the game at $5000. What do you think? Top or Bottom? I'll clearly be relabeling either way.

 

[DavinciFox]

It’s a nice chip so I say top. Get it on the table for the whole time and have em splash around. The 25,000s will just change hands in all in situations until ur deep

 

[BGinGA]

Settled on getting a T500-Base tourney set after much reading and seeing @BGinGA 's posts on the breakdown. Just seeing what people's opinions are about the $5000/$25000. The Horseshoe $25000 is my favorite chip of the set so i like it being more of a workhorse during the game at $5000. What do you think? Top or Bottom? I'll clearly be relabeling either way.
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Personally, of those colors, I'd go with a slightly more traditional approach:

fuchsia 500
yellow 1000
white 5000
blue 25000

Also works out to somewhat of a reverse spot progression.

 

[Jelugo1977]

I plan on using the blue as a 5k. I dont plan on using 25k at all.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Here's my proposed line-up. Working on a new Zombie inlay.

T500 Base
T200,000 Tournaments
Starting Stacks
8 x 500
6 x 1000
8 x 5000
6 x 25,000

Blind Structure (16 minute levels, 12 minute breaks).

Level	Small Blind	Big Blind	Big Blind Ante
1	500	1000
2	1000	2000
3	1500	3000
Break
4	1500	3000	500
5	2000	4000	500
6	3000	6000	1000
Break: Remove T500s
7	4000	8000	1000
8	6000	12,000	2000
9	10,000	20,000	3000
Break: Remove T1000s
10	15,000	30,000	5000
11	20,000	40,000	5000
12	30,000	60,000	10,000
Break
13	40,000	80,000	10,000
14	60,000	120,000	20,000
15	100,000	200,000	30,000
Break: Remove T5000s
16	150,000	300,000	50,000
17	200,000	400,000	50,000
18	300,000	600,000	100,000

This will be my first set built around a BBA structure. Suggestions are welcome, especially from @BGinGA.

 

[Jonesey07]

Here's my proposed line-up. Working on a new Zombie inlay.

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T500 Base
T200,000 Tournaments
Starting Stacks
8 x 500
6 x 1000
8 x 5000
6 x 25,000

Blind Structure (16 minute levels, 12 minute breaks).

Level	Small Blind	Big Blind	Big Blind Ante
1	500	1000
2	1000	2000
3	1500	3000
Break
4	1500	3000	500
5	2000	4000	500
6	3000	6000	1000
Break: Remove T500s
7	4000	8000	1000
8	6000	12,000	2000
9	10,000	20,000	3000
Break: Remove T1000s
10	15,000	30,000	5000
11	20,000	40,000	5000
12	30,000	60,000	10,000
Break
13	40,000	80,000	10,000
14	60,000	120,000	20,000
15	100,000	200,000	30,000
Break: Remove T5000s
16	150,000	300,000	50,000
17	200,000	400,000	50,000
18	300,000	600,000	100,000

This will be my first set built around a BBA structure. Suggestions are welcome, especially from @BGinGA.

Those 500’s need to stay on the table forever.

 

[BGinGA]

Here's my proposed line-up. Working on a new Zombie inlay.

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T500 Base
T200,000 Tournaments
Starting Stacks
8 x 500
6 x 1000
8 x 5000
6 x 25,000

Blind Structure (16 minute levels, 12 minute breaks).

Level	Small Blind	Big Blind	Big Blind Ante
1	500	1000
2	1000	2000
3	1500	3000
Break
4	1500	3000	500
5	2000	4000	500
6	3000	6000	1000
Break: Remove T500s
7	4000	8000	1000
8	6000	12,000	2000
9	10,000	20,000	3000
Break: Remove T1000s
10	15,000	30,000	5000
11	20,000	40,000	5000
12	30,000	60,000	10,000
Break
13	40,000	80,000	10,000
14	60,000	120,000	20,000
15	100,000	200,000	30,000
Break: Remove T5000s
16	150,000	300,000	50,000
17	200,000	400,000	50,000
18	300,000	600,000	100,000

This will be my first set built around a BBA structure. Suggestions are welcome, especially from @BGinGA.

Anti-ante protesters will hate it, because, well, no antes are needed at all. Some tournament ante purists will hate it, because they aren't individual antes, while some will hate it because the antes aren't large enough (most supporters advocate a table ante equal to the size of the big blind, which represents 10 individual antes that are each 1/10 of the big blind amount -- because antes are historically 1/10th to 1/8th the size of the big blind). Other purists will question why table antes aren't being applied from the very start of the tournament, since there is no longer a valid reason to delay their introduction. Then there are the folks who just dislike mindless zombies, and anything associated with the walking dead. Not me, but just sayin'....

Personally, I think that antes (if table antes are used) should be in play from L1. The only reason they aren't in individual-ante events is because of the extra denominations required, a hindrance that is not present when building a table ante format.

I also understand the reasoning of using a table ante that isn't as huge as 'normal'. For simplicity, I'd recommend just making the table ante value equal to the small blind amount, starting with L1. The necessary chips will always be in play, every hand starts with dead money, and the perceived benefits of antes are still there (although the math is different). It also helps minimuze the impact of charging every player a full big-blind's worth of antes when the table is less than full, without needing to alter the table ante amount based on table size.

Fwiw, I also advocate, that if used at all, the table ante be posted by the small blind player, and that it is posted after that player posts his/her small blind first.

Lastly, I think your blind structure itself is incredibly aggressive. Most ante tournaments use a softer progression, which allows antes to be used to promote action without escalating the structure into turbo mode. For example, in terms of tournament feel and overall duration: a 27% avg. increase event with antes is roughly equivalent to a 43% avg. increase event without antes, a 43% avg. increase event with antes is roughly equivalent to a 59% avg. increase event without antes, and a 59% avg. Increase event with antes is roughly equivalent to a 75% avg. increase event with no antes.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Anti-ante protesters will hate it, because, well, no antes are needed at all. Some tournament ante purists will hate it, because they aren't individual antes, while some will hate it because the antes aren't large enough (most supporters advocate a table ante equal to the size of the big blind, which represents 10 individual antes that are each 1/10 of the big blind amount -- because antes are historically 1/10th to 1/8th the size of the big blind). Other purists will question why table antes aren't being applied from the very start of the tournament, since there is no longer a valid reason to delay their introduction. Then there are the folks who just dislike mindless zombies, and anything associated with the walking dead. Not me, but just sayin'....

Personally, I think that antes (if table antes are used) should be in play from L1. The only reason they aren't in individual-ante events is because of the extra denominations required, a hindrance that is not present when building a table ante format.

I also understand the reasoning of using a table ante that isn't as huge as 'normal'. For simplicity, I'd recommend just making the table ante value equal to the small blind amount, starting with L1. The necessary chips will always be in play, every hand starts with dead money, and the perceived benefits of antes are still there (although the math is different). It also helps minimuze the impact of charging every player a full big-blind's worth of antes when the table is less than full, without needing to alter the table ante amount based on table size.

Fwiw, I also advocate, that if used at all, the table ante be posted by the small blind player, and that it is posted after that player posts his/her small blind first.

Lastly, I think your blind structure itself is incredibly aggressive. Most ante tournaments use a softer progression, which allows antes to be used to promote action without escalating the structure into turbo mode. For example, in terms of tournament feel and overall duration: a 27% avg. increase event with antes is roughly equivalent to a 43% avg. increase event without antes, a 43% avg. increase event with antes is roughly equivalent to a 59% avg. increase event without antes, and a 59% avg. Increase event with antes is roughly equivalent to a 75% avg. increase event with no antes.

I'm also in the anti-ante camp, but with more and more of my players becoming comfortable enough to play in casinos, I felt I needed to run an ante event sooner or later. I've avoided it this long (10+ years) but ante inclusion does change some strategies. Best to first encounter an ante for $20 rather than for $100.

I will look at slowing down the aggression between levels, without turning it into a 4 denom set.

 

[Apache]

Presale starts in less than 48 hours. Here are the plaques. The plaque colors are not final yet.

 

[ovo]

nice plaques

 

[BeagleStorm]

@Apache - Is the 100K pink chip going to be the same pink as the Majestic pink 25¢? I might take my chances with the new shade of red on the $5 unless they are going to try and intensify the pink for the 100K. Thanks,

 

[Apache]

@Apache - Is the 100K pink chip going to be the same pink as the Majestic pink 25¢? I might take my chances with the new shade of red on the $5 unless they are going to try and intensify the pink for the 100K. Thanks,

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They will be very close.